[jim1701]

they have your files and their hospitals are top notch, so why give them to someone else when you don't have to.

Mostly because I've never had to.  Trolls heal fast. 

[farothel]

Mostly because I've never had to.  Trolls heal fast. 

And they get stunbolted rather than shot anyways, as you can one-shot a troll with a stunbolt (at least in 4th), but you need a Thor shot to kill him.

[jim1701]

Mostly because I've never had to.  Trolls heal fast. 

And they get stunbolted rather than shot anyways, as you can one-shot a troll with a stunbolt (at least in 4th), but you need a Thor shot to kill him.

Four levels of spell resistance, a 4 willpower and a 4 edge (when needed) takes the sting out of stunbolts most days.   

[Namikaze]

I had a troll in one of my games built like that.  Dude had a crapton of armor, what with his riot shield (which he used as a weapon).  He was a physical adept, so he cheese-stacked magic resistance as well.  And this was before we had clarification that Quick Healer didn't stack double between you and your healer.  In the end, we had to find him a new home - he was just too tough to kill, and kept getting his teammates killed as a result.

[8-bit]

I had a troll in one of my games built like that.  Dude had a crapton of armor, what with his riot shield (which he used as a weapon).  He was a physical adept, so he cheese-stacked magic resistance as well.  And this was before we had clarification that Quick Healer didn't stack double between you and your healer.  In the end, we had to find him a new home - he was just too tough to kill, and kept getting his teammates killed as a result.

Do you mean they nuked him? And he survived but his teammates didn't? Yikes.

[Imveros]

I had a troll in one of my games built like that.  Dude had a crapton of armor, what with his riot shield (which he used as a weapon).  He was a physical adept, so he cheese-stacked magic resistance as well.  And this was before we had clarification that Quick Healer didn't stack double between you and your healer.  In the end, we had to find him a new home - he was just too tough to kill, and kept getting his teammates killed as a result.

I know what you mean. We had a troll tank in our party years ago, the GM decides to teach him a lesson, hits him with several grenades at once, he soaked it all and the hacker in the far corner of the room died and the rest of the party was messed up bad ~_~

[Mirikon]

Dumb. You don't target the barbarian's Fort Save, you go for his Will Save! I don't care how much armor the troll has, sniper with a dart rifle and injection darts filled with Laes making called shots at the unarmored areas says troll is going to sleep for a while.

[8-bit]

Dumb. You don't target the barbarian's Fort Save, you go for his Will Save! I don't care how much armor the troll has, sniper with a dart rifle and injection darts filled with Laes making called shots at the unarmored areas says troll is going to sleep for a while.

Er, you can have a Body 9, Willpower 5 Troll with 6 Edge if wanted. It's possible to resist the Laes. Granted, it's not likely. And if you go a cybered route, they could have Toxin Extractor Bioware.

I get your point though.

[SnowDragon]

Waunut splash grenade loaded with pixie dust?

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

... well, if by 'pixie dust' you're talking 'Slab', then yeah, go ahead.  If by 'pixie dust' you're saying 'this will happen when monkeys fly out of my butt', clearly you're playing in very ... limited campaigns.

[SnowDragon]

NO man, Pixie is like Laes light. It's an awakened drug that erases 1D6 minutes of the user's memory (In the same way Laes does) And in the meanwhile, the person is just standing there in a drugged stupor. Makes it perfect to run up and restrain 'em (Or just shoot 'em no problems)

[Mirikon]

Dumb. You don't target the barbarian's Fort Save, you go for his Will Save! I don't care how much armor the troll has, sniper with a dart rifle and injection darts filled with Laes making called shots at the unarmored areas says troll is going to sleep for a while.

Er, you can have a Body 9, Willpower 5 Troll with 6 Edge if wanted. It's possible to resist the Laes. Granted, it's not likely. And if you go a cybered route, they could have Toxin Extractor Bioware.

I get your point though.

Funny thing is, drugs and toxins work differently, 8-Bit. Drugs don't get resisted like toxins do. Toxin Extractors, Edge, Willpower, and Body don't stop drugs, which all have a minimum effect. Sure, the Troll could resist the stun damage, but he would still fall unconscious for the 20 x 1d6 minutes, and lose the last 12 - Body (min 1) hours worth of memory. So the troll is down for a MINIMUM of 20 min, no matter what their Body is, or anything else.

[8-bit]

Dumb. You don't target the barbarian's Fort Save, you go for his Will Save! I don't care how much armor the troll has, sniper with a dart rifle and injection darts filled with Laes making called shots at the unarmored areas says troll is going to sleep for a while.

Er, you can have a Body 9, Willpower 5 Troll with 6 Edge if wanted. It's possible to resist the Laes. Granted, it's not likely. And if you go a cybered route, they could have Toxin Extractor Bioware.

I get your point though.

Funny thing is, drugs and toxins work differently, 8-Bit. Drugs don't get resisted like toxins do. Toxin Extractors, Edge, Willpower, and Body don't stop drugs, which all have a minimum effect. Sure, the Troll could resist the stun damage, but he would still fall unconscious for the 20 x 1d6 minutes, and lose the last 12 - Body (min 1) hours worth of memory. So the troll is down for a MINIMUM of 20 min, no matter what their Body is, or anything else.

Funny thing is, Stolen Souls groups everything under drugs, even though it includes Gamma-Scopolamine which is clearly a Toxin according to the Core Rule Book of SR5. I mean, you can argue with me that they are drugs all you want, because they are listed under drugs, except they all have amazingly similar effects and stat blocks compared to the Toxins section of the Core Rule Book of SR5. Every "drug" in Stolen Souls is clearly a toxin when compared to the examples in the Core Rule Book of SR5; the only exceptions are DMSO, Liquid Nutrients, and Normal Saline; which I think you could hardly consider drugs when compared to the actual drugs in the Core Rule Book of SR5.

So, yeah, I know what I'm talking about in this case.

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

8-Bit is right, Mirikon - drugs are for game purposes essentially toxins (and/or vice-versa) for the way the game handles them.  However, 8-Bit, Mirikon is also right, in that certain drugs/toxins have a minimum effect, which do not get resisted.  Gamma-scop, for example - even if you resist all the muscle-paralysis, it's still going to act as a truth serum for that hour it's in your system.

And SnowDragon, you're meaning leal - aka laes-light.  I don't recall 'Pixie' being an official street name for it, but I can see where that might come from.

[Mirikon]

Pixie dust is the speedball of leal and novacoke, I believe. It was in Arsenal, IIRC.

And I'd forgotten that there were 5E stats for Laes. Looks like they nerfed it a lot from 4th. Too bad.