[SquirrelDude]

My first impressions after reading GH3.

1. All the Assault Rifles are wrong.
2. Disappointed in the lack of heavier weapons
3. Where is there errata for this book?

Still. It's neat.

[Rift_0f_Bladz]

Majority of the AA (don't mind the Colt Inception, view it as civy weapon) are bad. But some of the best guns are in it (excluding the erratad Rain Forest) such as the Krim Wave and Remington Suppressor. Both are excellent choice for price and stats compared to similar classed weapons.

[mjack]

1. All the Assault Rifles are wrong.

They ain't! Just some more variation of damage codes

2. Disappointed in the lack of heavier weapons

This volume of the Gun H(e)aven series was mainly about reintroducing Sporting Rifles. More guns in future volumes … I hope.

3. Where is there errata for this book?

There is none. But at least the Rain forest Carbine's stats were fixed in the SR5 Mission FAQ.

[Medicineman]

hmmmm
there is a BIG difference between a FAQ  (especially a Missions FAQ) and an oficial Erratta !!

with a different Dance
Medicineman

[Herr Brackhaus]

hmmmm
there is a BIG difference between a FAQ  (especially a Missions FAQ) and an oficial Erratta !!

with a different Dance
Medicineman

I'm going to have to disagree with you there; until errata is released you can bet your britches that the Missions FAQ is as close to a balanced review of a controversial rule as you'll get.

For people who like arguing RAW it might not do the trick, but for actual players, it's more than "close enough".

[Medicineman]

For people who like arguing RAW it might not do the trick, but for actual players, it's more than "close enough".

Well I AM a actual Player ( SR for about 20 Years now RPG for 30+ Years Mind You )
but here in Germany Your Missions are quite unimportant.
whats in the Books, in the Erratta and in official Adventures has more weight
And I don't need to argue, I just tell you how it is here in Germany

he who dances in breeches
Medicineman

[Herr Brackhaus]

I don't mean to be a total jerk here, but really Medicinman, you can choose to use the content or not, no skin off my back.

I honestly couldn't care less if you've played for 50 years of 5 days; at least there's some sort of guidance from Bull out there in the form of the Missions FAQ. It can be useful when something obviously broken (*cough* Rain Forest Carbine *hark*) comes along, and though it might not be as official as Errata it's something, at least. All I'm saying...

[Namikaze]

but here in Germany Your Missions are quite unimportant.

That's debatable.  There are several Missions groups in and around Germany.  What you might not consider important is not the same as the whole of Germany.

[Medicineman]

but here in Germany Your Missions are quite unimportant.

That's debatable.  There are several Missions groups in and around Germany.  What you might not consider important is not the same as the whole of Germany.

ok , let me rephrase it
  not as important here in Germany than they are in the US .
there are some Missions groups...
 even one of my 3 SR4A  rounds is a former SR3 Missions round
but nevertheless  the US Missions are (relatively) unknown around here
and far less important

I don't mean to be a total jerk here, but really Medicinman, you can choose to use the content or not, no skin off my back.

I didn't want to...step on Your Toes, but I don't like being called " not a real player" that was when I felt insulted
...and with this last remark I'll step away from Your back (slowly, still watching you, with a held action, just in case
GM ; If he makes a sudden move I'll shoot first !...)


HokaHey
Medicineman

[jim1701]

This is just my opinion but I believe that if the change to the Rain Forrest Carbine to be official errata.  Otherwise they would just have banned the item from Missions Play.  I can't imagine CGL wanting to open a can of worms where a single piece of equipment has two "official" sets of stats.

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

Medicineman, Missions are a baseline / benchmark way of looking at How The Devs Are Thinking.  Contrary to the opinion of a number of people I've run into, Bull doesn't make these decisions and all on his own; there is discussion about this.  Which means that if you think it needs errata, but it hasn't come out yet, seeing how the more-restrictive Missions playgroups are instructed to handle an issue or item is going to give you an idea of how it is generally meant to be handled.

Whether you play it or not, Missions IS part of the Shadowrun line - which means it is, in a lot of ways, official.

[SquirrelDude]

After looking at the errata for the Rain Forest. On one hand, I'm glad it was changed because it was ridiculous. On the other, I'm a little sad such a unique/interesting weapon was made so ordinary.

[Medicineman]

Medicineman, Missions are a baseline / benchmark way of looking at How The Devs Are Thinking.  Contrary to the opinion of a number of people I've run into, Bull doesn't make these decisions and all on his own; there is discussion about this.

Oh, I truly beleive that there is some communication between the Devs (and I consider Bull to be one of them)
 but what's really strange is :
 Why isn't the BBB the Baseline & Benchmark of how the Devs are thinking
And If they change their Minds why don't they produce an official Erratta ?
(Hell, when I read all the Forums , most of the faulty Rules are already discussed . The Guys responsible at CGL just need to read and work from what the other users have already provided !  its a work that has already been 1/2 done)

 

Which means that if you think it needs errata,

I'll do it on my own for my own Groups. I'm used to working independantly .
What ails me is that there is so few support for Erratta from CGL. When I go to conventions (which I do quite often) to have Fun with a table full of strange Players that I don't know I make sure that my Chars are RAW so that wa all have a common Ground from where we can start to play.

Whether you play it or not, Missions IS part of the Shadowrun line - which means it is, in a lot of ways, official.

as I mentioned  before, one of my GMs is using Missions for one of our Campaigns (I'm playing in 3 different atm)
but German conventions are a bit different from US Conventions.
Apart from a Session being 6,8 or  sometimes even 10 Hours ,and apart from playing often continously (often I've been playing for a whole Weekend 32 - 34 Hours in a Row, 5-6 Runs/Games , not only Shadowrun but also other RPGs) there are seldom Missions runs.
 There's lot of Support (I used to be Supporter myself, but it's a few Years ago ) but the Support is for the official Adventures not for the Missions.
for Big Events like the RPG in Cologne or the Spiel in Essen there's more often Introducory Sessions of only 2-4 Hours with Mini Runs like Foodfight , but at regular Conventions (like the Feencon, Dreieich or Ratcon) the Runs/Adventure are often quite long (6 Hours Minimum. ). and for small conventions (only 100-250 Players like Morpheus ,Krähencon or Klingencon) when there is no official Support most of the Runs/Adventures have as a default Line that all Chars are Raw .
 Pegasus tried Hamburg Missions once a few Years ago for SR 4A but there was no demand from German players to continue it so the Support for German Missions ceased.
So, to make it a long story short :
 Yes, Missions exist, ( I know it, and I even use it at home) but its not so important when its concerning official Material , official Rounds in Germany ! What is important in  Games/sessions at Conventions is the oficial Erratta and whats in the Books !
and when there is no official Erratta for the Rainforrest Carbine there WILL be players with chars equipped with that Gun (with 14 P Damage and AP -4 ) and my fellow Supporters (I still consider them my Friends & Comrades ! )
will have trouble preventing that


with a Dance beyond the Benchmark
Medicineman

P.S.
Sorry SquirrelDude for kidnapping Your thread

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

... because 'Errata' does not mean 'quick and dirty fix'?  Missions rulings sometimes are, until errata can be developed properly.  Errata is, by nature, correcting a conflict (or poor wording) of or between rules - not (generally) an alteration of them.  What you're wanting, also, is a fan-based correction of the rules, instead of them being worked on internally.  There are ten thousand fans, and even among the hundred we have here, there are vociferous disagreements.  There are maybe a few dozen freelancers, and maybe a dozen actual employees (and, IIRC, few of those are full-time) assembling the game.  So you can either get your fix now, or you can wait for exhaustive testing, take your pick.

What I really get from your statement is 'I don't care what CGL may have already done in addressing my issues, I want them addressed the way I've already decided they should be addressed, and get it done yesterday, already.'  Which is fine; you can say that.  Don't expect it to actually happen, though.

[Namikaze]

*snipped*

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