[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

'Barrel in the headlight' is fine - but where's the rest of the weapon?  As I said, there are very few bikes that don't have the vast majority of their inner workings exposed.

[jim1701]

Eh, who needs a gas tank?   

[Malevolence]

Gas tank = Flamethrower fuel. Dual purpose.


And yes, I know the two are different combustibles. Pedants...

[Sendaz]

Eh, who needs a gas tank?   

heh, back when we played CarWars, we used to rip out the regular fuel tank and fitted it with  a 1 gallon jug with a fuel line to it which opened up weight/space for other things like additional ammo and armor because you only needed enough fuel to get around for the one race, which was usually just a couple of laps.

Gas tank = Flamethrower fuel. Dual purpose.


And yes, I know the two are different combustibles. Pedants...

Actually you could make a homemade version using gasoline, just won't be as good as using a proper mix that sticks and burns.

Hmm... spirits/elementals can take the form of their element.  there are spirits of toxic materials so the element need not be entirely natural.

Wonder what the spell formula for summoning a Napalm or Firewater Elemental would look like.

Sure a regular fire ele is nice, but for those times when you want something special.....

[Damien Granz]

You could charge them for the mounts in the 4E Arsenal. The concealability rules aren't really that different.

[PinkTrenchCoat]

As long as you use restricted firearms and have a license, and are willing to rotate licenses after a run. You should be fine.

Unfortunately, Weapon Mounts are Forbidden, even if there's a taser on it.

[DeathStrobe]

As long as you use restricted firearms and have a license, and are willing to rotate licenses after a run. You should be fine.

Unfortunately, Weapon Mounts are Forbidden, even if there's a taser on it.

Touche. Forgot about that. That doesn't make sense...

Riggers can't exist then. I don't like that... I don't like that at all...

[Namikaze]

Riggers can't exist then. I don't like that... I don't like that at all...

Riggers can exist just fine.  The statement you make is... overly broad.  Let's look at the two primary methods of rigger interaction with Shadowrun: vehicles and drones.  Vehicles can have weapon mounts installed, but doing so means making a civilian vehicle into a combat vehicle.  You can't drive a vehicle like that down the streets of Downtown Seattle without attracting undue attention and warranting some sort of response from authorities.  On the flip side, in places where there is no authority (Redmond, Puyallup, stretches of highway), there is no reason to think Forbidden means a damn thing.  In fact, you might be prey without some sort of armed vehicle.

Drones on the other hand are unique in that they have an Availability rating that reflects the drone, even with the weapon mounts.  For instance a Steel Lynx comes with a heavy weapon mount by default, but is only Restricted.  So for those situations in which you are talking about a drone the legality of a weapon turret is factored into the drone's Availability already.  Plus, there are plenty of tasks a drone can do without needing any weapon mounts.  Drones can perform surveillance, do heavy labor jobs, and even perform medical diagnostics and treatment.  All of which allow a rigger to 'exist' just fine.

[Herr Brackhaus]

Riggers can't exist then. I don't like that... I don't like that at all...

Riggers can exist just fine.  The statement you make is... overly broad.  Let's look at the two primary methods of rigger interaction with Shadowrun: vehicles and drones.  Vehicles can have weapon mounts installed, but doing so means making a civilian vehicle into a combat vehicle.  You can't drive a vehicle like that down the streets of Downtown Seattle without attracting undue attention and warranting some sort of response from authorities.  On the flip side, in places where there is no authority (Redmond, Puyallup, stretches of highway), there is no reason to think Forbidden means a damn thing.  In fact, you might be prey without some sort of armed vehicle.

Drones on the other hand are unique in that they have an Availability rating that reflects the drone, even with the weapon mounts.  For instance a Steel Lynx comes with a heavy weapon mount by default, but is only Restricted.  So for those situations in which you are talking about a drone the legality of a weapon turret is factored into the drone's Availability already.  Plus, there are plenty of tasks a drone can do without needing any weapon mounts.  Drones can perform surveillance, do heavy labor jobs, and even perform medical diagnostics and treatment.  All of which allow a rigger to 'exist' just fine.

Absolutely agreed. To my mind this is similar to how a silencer weapon modification is Forbidden, but the Remington Suppressor is only Restricted despite having a factory installed silencer.

Riggers need a lot of love from a GM to function effectively, in my opinion, but there's no doubt in my mind that they can exist just fine.

[Sir_Prometheus]

It sounds like the "forbidden nature of weapon mounts needs to be thought about a bit more.

[DeathStrobe]

I think it would make sense that corporations would drive around with vehicles with weapon mounts to protect VIPs, hazardous materials, or other things of importance that need transportation. They must be able to have a way to drive around within city limits with exposed turrets.

At least with Concealed Turrets it makes sense that they should be forbidden, because they're harder to detect and are an unknown quantity.

But if you're transmitting and leaving a data trail of your license etc. It makes sense to me to make it a restricted item needing a license to own legally. Especially if people would be constantly afraid of go gangs. So they would mount their cars with an AK or Ares Alpha; even if there is no real chance they'd ever be a target of a go gang while they live in Bellevue. But they'd still be paranoid enough to buy one, for the one in a million chance that it happens.

[Namikaze]

I think it would make sense that corporations would drive around with vehicles with weapon mounts to protect VIPs, hazardous materials, or other things of importance that need transportation. They must be able to have a way to drive around within city limits with exposed turrets.

In Lagos?  Sure.  In Seattle?  No go.

[Rift_0f_Bladz]

Again, like so much of ShadowRun, it depends on what kind of game and where the run is located. Lagos, parts of Chicago, Redmond, any boarder crossing, Z-zones, etc thing get hairy and corp with roll with the big guns, both on vehicles and drones. In a fanciest parts of Seattle, Denver, or Tokyo not going to happen. It will be armored limos, concealed holdouts, mini and micro spy drones, and tasers. Always plan for the right run.