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Imveros

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« Reply #15 on: <02-12-15/2011:28> »
As to throwing weapons exception- can you point me to the relevant passage...I've glitched on my perception roll and can't find it.

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SR Core P424

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Throwing knives/shuriken: A wide variety of
shapes and sizes of aerodynamically balanced, specially
weighted, muscle-powered throwing weapons are available,
from throwing spikes to darts to kunai and shuriken.
A character can ready (Agility ÷ 2) of these knives
with one Ready Weapon action.
Wireless: If all the throwing knives or shuriken you
throw in a single Combat Turn are wireless and you have
a smartlink system, each knife you throw receives a +1
dice pool bonus per knife thrown that Combat Turn at
your current target, as the knives inform and adjust for
wind and other atmospheric conditions. So you’d get
no bonus on the first throw, a +1 bonus on the second
throw, a +2 bonus on the third throw, etc. (assuming you
aimed all three knives at the same target).
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« Reply #16 on: <02-12-15/2017:46> »
Which leaves us stuck with...did he know the multiattack rules when he wrote the wireless rules for shuriken because in other areas he freely admits he was working under one assumption when he wrote the wireless rules but when he saw the rules in print, they (the rules, not his wireless rules) were written under different assumptions than what he was lead to believe. Wow, my English teacher would bop me over the head with her ruler for that sentence.
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« Reply #17 on: <02-12-15/2125:57> »
Note that it says per Combat Turn, not per Pass.  This does not necessarily allow for multiple thrown weapons in the same pass at the same target.  You throw a knife in the first pass, throw one in the second pass at a +1, throw one in the third pass for a +2, etc. till you run out of initiative. 

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« Reply #18 on: <02-12-15/2148:43> »
Page 166 of the Core also implies it, though it doesn't clearly say what happens

Multiple readied throwing weapons
can be thrown at a target within Short or Medium
range by adding a Multiple Attacks Free Action (see
Multiple Attacks, p. 196).


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« Reply #19 on: <02-12-15/2224:42> »
The Multiple attack free action doesn't exclude attacking the same target, its just that it doesn't specifically say it. It's pretty clear to me the RAI is to allow the Multiple attack free action to be used on attacking the same target while dual wielding because its really cool, and because its the only way for highly skilled characters to get around their limits once they start to roll 20+ dice on attacks.

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« Reply #20 on: <02-12-15/2314:18> »
Page 196 in the core book talks about Multiple Attacks, as does the section about the Multiple Attacks Free Action.  Neither section says that you are limited to attacking multiple targets.  In fact the text on page 196 says pretty clearly that the Multiple Attacks Free Action is about attacking multiple times, not about the number of targets.
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« Reply #21 on: <02-13-15/0002:55> »
A character may use a Free Action to attack multiple targets
in a single action (see Multiple Attacks, p. 196) by
splitting their dice pool. This action must be combined
with a Fire Weapon Action, Throw Weapon Action, Melee
Attack Action, Reckless Spellcasting, or Cast Spell Action.

RAW, multiple targets....
Is this RAI...beats me, I don't personally know the guy who wrote  it.
So to do a multiple attack action and attack the same target would need your GM's approval as it isn't in the rules.

BTW, if I was GMing, I'd allow it but conversely, if I was playing and the GM said no, I'd be fine with that too.
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« Reply #22 on: <02-13-15/0049:00> »
*snip*

You're quoting the Free Action description, not the actual description of how to utilize multiple attacks.  For that info, you have to go to Page 196.
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« Reply #23 on: <02-13-15/2059:19> »
Does that 2 target rule apply to melee weapons as well? (ex sword?) can i attack one target 2x with a split die pool with my swords?

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« Reply #24 on: <02-13-15/2108:08> »
Does that 2 target rule apply to melee weapons as well? (ex sword?) can i attack one target 2x with a split die pool with my swords?
Yes you can dual wield melee weapons. Swords, stun batons, clubs, waraxes, etc

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« Reply #25 on: <02-14-15/1901:15> »

You're quoting the Free Action description, not the actual description of how to utilize multiple attacks.  For that info, you have to go to Page 196.

Multiple Attacks
Characters sometimes want to really put on the hurting
in a single Action Phase and can choose to attack more
than once in a single Action Phase by using the Multiple
Attacks Free Action. This action represents both
attacking multiple times from a single melee weapon
and attacking with two different weapons (firearms
or melee). The attacker’s dice pool is calculated with
all modifiers (Wound, Environmental, Situational, and
the full recoil of all attacks if it’s a ranged attack) and
then split as evenly as possible between all attacks, and
each attack is handled separately. (Keep in mind as the
dice pool gets smaller the chances of a glitch rise.)
Edge spent on this test adds into the pool before it
is divided.
The total number of attacks you can make in a single
Action Phase is limited to one-half the attacker’s Combat
Skill.

page 196 that has no rules on whether you can attack multiple or the same target with the multiple attacks. Only the description under free actions does, and it clerly states multiple targets.
And again, I'd allow multiple attacks on the same target but it isn't RAW.
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« Reply #26 on: <02-14-15/1926:30> »
Does that 2 target rule apply to melee weapons as well? (ex sword?) can i attack one target 2x with a split die pool with my swords?
Yes you can dual wield melee weapons. Swords, stun batons, clubs, waraxes, etc
As long as each weapon can be wielded with a single hand by itself.

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« Reply #27 on: <02-14-15/1931:11> »
Can a troll of sufficient strength and skill dual wield two dwarves who are each dual wielding melee weapons of their own? :P
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« Reply #28 on: <02-14-15/1938:40> »
*snip*
And again, I'd allow multiple attacks on the same target but it isn't RAW.

So let me get this straight.  You agree that the action should allow multiple attacks on one target, but you argue semantics anyway?

FWIW, I disagree that this is not RAW.  I believe that this is yet another example of the old editing techniques working against us.  Also, I believe that not every word in the book is organized in the most logical fashion, and therefore cannot always be taken as literal gospel.  Instead, we need to take contradictory information like this with a grain of salt.
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« Reply #29 on: <02-15-15/1335:49> »
Can a troll of sufficient strength and skill dual wield two dwarves who are each dual wielding melee weapons of their own? :P

You mean something like this? ;)

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