[ScytheKnight]

Really liking the contents of this one. Soooo much stuff, interesting that drone weaponry had been simultaneously expanded (higher range of mount sizes) and nerfed (seriously reduced ammo capacity)

[Kincaid]

Extended clips from Hard Targets don't cost MP

[ScytheKnight]

Extended clips from Hard Targets don't cost MP

Hmmm, a Rating 2 Extended Clip + an extra ammo slot would give you around 3 magazine's worth of ammo... enough for most firefights.

[ScytheKnight]

Hmmm, so the F-B Bumblebee isn't directly listed... but I guess it can be assumed it has: Three Extra Weapon Modification Slots, Heavy Weapon Mount, Stoner Arms M202 MMG, 100 round belt feed... leaves only 1 point left for modifications.

[ScytheKnight]

Can I just add that it's a crying shame that the Revolution is 2 Body short of a General Grievous style Monobike/Walker hybrid?

[UnLimiTeD]

Sure. Regarding the Bumblebee, you can still increase all it's stats by 1 without going into the modpoints. Having just one of these with a handling/acceleration/pilot increase would make a rotodrone swarm quite dangerous. The swarm is really the only way to make weak drones worthwhile, otherwies I wouldn't use any for combat unless they had 12+ armour. I wonder which weapon you'd use if they have multiple.

[Malevolence]

For which weapon stats to use for a Swarm, I'd go with Rigger's choice (or Pilot's choice), with all other drones cooperating to provide the bonus to the "main" weapon. And you can change which one is used each turn as the swarm intelligently re-configures itself to use the best weapon for the job. It's the hive mind version of teamwork.

[ScytheKnight]

OK talking about swarms... what if you had a mix of mostly melee weapons and then a couple of choice range weapons. Swarm tactics would be most of them attacking at melee (small fast flyers with knives) to keep someone off balance while the swarm leader (something bigger like a Roto Drone) lines up a shot. Would the Swarm be able to handle mixed unit tactics like this? Also would it be enough to impose "Defender in Melee Against Ranged Attack" penalty?

And as was noted in the Errata thread... absolutely NO love for RCCs? At all? No special modifications? No alternate models? No attachments? NOTHING?!

[UnLimiTeD]

Despite all the options it added, the drone situation didn't really improve by much. Well just have to deal with it.

[Dr0p5]

And as was noted in the Errata thread... absolutely NO love for RCCs? At all? No special modifications? No alternate models? No attachments? NOTHING?!

nothing for security spiders and car theft too.

[ScytheKnight]

Alright so here's a question.. is it possible to fit a Silenced/Suppressed weapon inside a Pop-Up drone mount?

Hmm, also perhaps something interesting... Hard Targets has a lot of mods to change the size of a weapon.

Would a Long Barrel make the weapon go up a Category?

Could you cram a weapon into a smaller mount by removing the stock and using a short/sawnoff barrel?

Needless to say I think that Trigger Removal and Electronic Firing are going to become standard modifications for drone mounted weapons.

[bull30548]

I have a complaint that can be remedied I think relatively easily.  I need Rigger 5.1 The Vehicle Artwork please.  All vehicles artistically rendered to help out a bit.  Honestly, this is one of the minor issues that I have noticed.  While we are in the fifth edition of Shadowrun a lot of the players today may not have played or owned any of the previous editions.  I just think dedicating a book to artwork would be really awesome too.  You may not even need to leave it to Rigger.  I am sure there are some weapons from run & gun, some items in Street Grimoire, cyberdecks and other gizmos from Data Trails (and the core), and Chrome Flesh artwork to give a clearer picture of what the world of Shadowrun looks like today.  Mind you I will still love the classic Second Edition and Third Edition core rulebook artwork.  To me those really capture Shadowrun's essence.  Another complaint I have and this might be the elitist Rigger in me is the fact that a lot of folks still don't get rigging.  I wish I had the words to describe how deeply I got into being a rigger from 3rd edition. 

I will try though...

Rigging shouldn't be about the greatest vehicle or drone in your arsenal or how much firepower you bring to bear in a situation.  Riggers became riggers because it was daring and dangerous.  So many people are almost as intuitively attuned to vehicles as technomancers or deckers are to the matrix.  For them it is the sensation of the wind on their metal flesh as they race through the streets on a drone or motorbike.  The thrum of an autocannon in time with a heartbeat or the utter freedom one feels by being one with the machine.  Each drone is not merely a machine but like mages' spirits they embody the vision of a rigger.  In third edition I had lots of drones and could do massive amounts of damage to my enemies.  However, for me the most enjoyable experience was during a chase sequence between Seattle and Denver that occurred with my T-bird.  Yes, it was combat and yes I did annihilate my pursuers but I like to think it was because I was thinking like a rigger not a pilot or driver.  Also the fact that due to my descriptions not dice rolling because we only did rolls for attacks did I gain the advantage.

If you are going to be a Rigger understand that the machines you use are as much a part of you as you are to them. 

Okay thoughts concluded must be because of the holiday that I feel so whimsical. 

[Sendaz]

I am just glad they left out Modular Drone Combine Option otherwise a certain  pixie rigger would get 4 buddies all with their own Anthroform Drones to go play Voltron with in downtown Seattle.

[ScytheKnight]

Sooo... assuming the stat line of the Horizon Niozquito is correct, and that the Speaker and LED systems don't take up the 1 point of body... seems to me mounting tasers to those things would make the most horrifically annoying swarms in existence.

[UnLimiTeD]

I think that is not wrong.
Those drones are awesome.