[prophet42]

So, had some disagreements around the table over the weekend.

The one that stuck in my mind was about medkits & just how big they are.

I know that those with the lower ratings (1-3) are listed as being able to fit in a pocket - no problem there.

Its the kits with more capabilities (ie Rating 4-6).
The book lists them as being the size of 'a handheld case'.
Trouble is, there's a lot of size variation for 'a handheld case'.
I was thinking it was the size of a heavy pistol case (ie about 12" x 9" x 5")
Table boss & his usual crew are of the opinion that its more on par with a full rucksack of meds & gear.

Thoughts?

[Jack_Spade]

There are advanced rules on that in Bullets&Bandages:
Concealability in parentheses
Rating 1: Large pocket (–2)
Rating 2: Small pouch or fanny pack (–1)
Rating 3: Large pouch or fanny pack (+0)
Rating 4: Small backpack or duffel bag (+1)
Rating 5: Large backpack or duffel bag (+2)
Rating 6: Oversized duffel bag or larger (+3)

If you are smart, you'll get a lined coat and install a rating 6 medkit as gear

[prophet42]

Thanks - not the answer I wanted but now I'm on the same page as the rest of the crew.

I'll look into that option for my runner's greatcoat

[Beta]

Rating 6: Oversized duffel bag or larger (+3)

If you are smart, you'll get a lined coat and install a rating 6 medkit as gear

Hmmm, I'd think that an oversized duffel bag worth of gear spread around a long coat would make it look like you are wearing a parka, for how thick it would end up?  (I know, da rules are da rules, but I wish they'd be a bit more consistent on sizing!)

[Rooks]

I had a savior suit  (Dry suit with softweave 5000 capacity 6 with medkit [5] and Biomonitor [1])

[ScytheKnight]

There are advanced rules on that in Bullets&Bandages:
Concealability in parentheses
Rating 1: Large pocket (–2)
Rating 2: Small pouch or fanny pack (–1)
Rating 3: Large pouch or fanny pack (+0)
Rating 4: Small backpack or duffel bag (+1)
Rating 5: Large backpack or duffel bag (+2)
Rating 6: Oversized duffel bag or larger (+3)

If you are smart, you'll get a lined coat and install a rating 6 medkit as gear

Keep in mind that Bullets and Bandages Medkits aren't the same as Core Book Medkits.

[prophet42]

Something else I discovered - B&B isn't legal in ShadowRun Missions (which is where this character runs).

Since B&B is disallowed, let's revisit the initial question - how big is a R6 medkit in its hand-held case?

[Stoneglobe]

Our group have always had a rating 6 medkit being briefcase sized. We first made this decision back in the dark ages of 1st edition if I remember correctly and have never felt the need to change it.

[Tecumseh]

I was reading something this weekend that said rating 1-3 would be pocket-sized while rating 4-6 would be briefcase-sized. Naturally, now that I need a page reference, I cannot remember where I read it.

I actually like the optional rule from Bullets & Bandages, lest every single runner show up with a rating 6 medkit tucked under their arm, but I also know it's not Missions-legal.

Ignoring B&B for the moment, I might go with 12" x 18" x 4" for a rating 6 medkit. Your pistol case (12x9x5) would be good for a rating 4 medkit at my table.

Edit: Nevermind, I was mis-remembering the "handheld case" line from the core rulebook. I thought it said briefcase.

[ScytheKnight]

Remember that portable medical kits are a real thing...

[Rooks]

Considering Chrome Flesh points out that a medkit installed in a cyberleg takes up 10 capacity and a smuggling compartment takes up 5 capacity then one can assume a medkit would be about the size of 2 bread boxes

[Raven2049]

i wonder if it would be in the book that was released a while ago, DocWagon 19... havent had the time to read it yet, so if anyone has and can answer whether or not its in there...

[ScytheKnight]

At a guess the R1-3 ones would be more like your portable first aid kits... R4-6 would be something like an EMT/Paramedic case.

[Banshee]

From a missions point of view the Bullets & Bandages size examples hold true for the core book medkits as well.

thanks.

[Halinn]

Remember that portable medical kits are a real thing...

They can't operate on their own, though.