We could always try justifying why you'd be currently living a street lifestyle for a bit. For instance, your last run before campaign start went sour, and you've spent the past 3 months hidden in a bolt hole half a continent away from your usual stomping grounds. You got three shirts, a pair of pants, three pairs of socks, three pairs of underwear, a knife, a pistol, 40 bullets, an armor jacket, a burner 'link and 317 nuyen to your name, since that's the sum total of what was stashed in the bolt hole, plus what you didn't have to leave when the run went sour. Last week, the coffin hotel kicked you out, so you're pretty desperate for a run to get back on your feet and start establishing yourself in a new city.Remember that one of the core assumptions is that most shadowrunners are SIN-less, and it really sucks being SIN-less. I'd wager that in-universe, it's the minority of runners that can afford a stable lifestyle of any sort, much less a high or luxury one.
Which is what we have been trying to point out. He wont get it.We could always try justifying why you'd be currently living a street lifestyle for a bit. For instance, your last run before campaign start went sour, and you've spent the past 3 months hidden in a bolt hole half a continent away from your usual stomping grounds. You got three shirts, a pair of pants, three pairs of socks, three pairs of underwear, a knife, a pistol, 40 bullets, an armor jacket, a burner 'link and 317 nuyen to your name, since that's the sum total of what was stashed in the bolt hole, plus what you didn't have to leave when the run went sour. Last week, the coffin hotel kicked you out, so you're pretty desperate for a run to get back on your feet and start establishing yourself in a new city.Remember that one of the core assumptions is that most shadowrunners are SIN-less, and it really sucks being SIN-less. I'd wager that in-universe, it's the minority of runners that can afford a stable lifestyle of any sort, much less a high or luxury one.
Well munchkinism is very much exploiting "RAW" .
Quote from: Kirito99 on <11-28-15/2129:16>Well munchkinism is very much exploiting "RAW" . This is hardly worth calling an exploit.
Quote from: Medicineman on <11-28-15/1059:15>By RAW (IIRC) you DO need a lifestyle to start ( Starting Money f.E.)but You can start with a ...Streetlifestyle and as soon as the first Run is over, You upgrade immediately to whatever you like or can affordwith an upgrade DanceMedicinemanWell that is much example of raw munchkinism, I we argue at this level I suppose should quit - there is no point to reasoning my statement with this much of metagaming.
By RAW (IIRC) you DO need a lifestyle to start ( Starting Money f.E.)but You can start with a ...Streetlifestyle and as soon as the first Run is over, You upgrade immediately to whatever you like or can affordwith an upgrade DanceMedicineman
For me it's cheap trick to have cash for must-have gear in priority system for talented mages without cash.
I'm still not quite sure why upgrading something after payday is munchkiny. Isn't that the whole point of the monies and Karmas? Buy better stuffs? Upgrading Lifestyle = Munchkin, Upgrading Foci = just fine? Waking up in a Coffin motel and going out to rent a disposable apartment with a new fake ID is something most Shadowrunners actually do at least once or twice in any case. Is it Munchkiny to buy a new lifestyle and SIN after your old SIN gets burned or is a character expected to stay living on the street forever now? There are some builds that get tight on Karma. Mystic Adepts typically blow 30 on PP, or any of the Metahuman or Shifter choices that have a Karma cost for example so presuming 10 Karma is a low cost isn't really fair to those characters. There are even character backstory reasons to not have *whatever* at chargen, even on high resource characters.
I will add that "new in town" makes a better justification than "This is my very first run" - most shadowrunners have been moving up the criminal food chain for awhile while gaining their professional-level skills and shady contacts. You can make "beginning" characters - one of the benefits of a flexible character creation system - but they are hardly the norm.
seriously reductio ad absurdum arguments should not be used...By RAW you can not pick Kryptonite as an allergy...it is neither common nor uncommon since it does not exist.Many people fall back to RAW with shadowrun because this company is horrible at answering questions about RAI.
