[Haywire]

Does the device rating limit the rating of the autosoft? For instance, most have rating of 3, so does that mean I can only run a rating 3 autosoft on them?

Nothing in the CRB says so. You can run autosofts of any rating.

[falar]

Definitely confirmed on that. It's the reason that, post-Data Trails, a drone can run everything it needs to without an RCC. It's a bit more expensive, but it's not impossible, as it was with only the CRB to consider.

Most drones need the following:

• [Model] Maneuvering
• Electronic Warfare
• [Model] Stealth/[Weapon] Targeting

On all drones to date, you can only run two autosofts, so you really can't cover all your bases. After Data Trails, you can wire in a program module to be running at all times to get you up to three autosofts (or four if what you wire in is Virtual Machine). This means that, for an investment, you can more or less ignore the Sharing part of an RCC. Not that you would necessarily want to, but it might be helpful as you would want to mod in Sleaze and run Smoke-and-Mirrors and offset your noise with Signal Scrub and native Noise Reduction from the RCC. That means that you can actually effectively Run Silent instead of Running Silent while waving a flag out your pee-goo.

[Haywire]

Definitely confirmed on that. It's the reason that, post-Data Trails, a drone can run everything it needs to without an RCC. It's a bit more expensive, but it's not impossible, as it was with only the CRB to consider.

Most drones need the following:

• [Model] Maneuvering
• Electronic Warfare
• [Model] Stealth/[Weapon] Targeting

On all drones to date, you can only run two autosofts, so you really can't cover all your bases. After Data Trails, you can wire in a program module to be running at all times to get you up to three autosofts (or four if what you wire in is Virtual Machine). This means that, for an investment, you can more or less ignore the Sharing part of an RCC. Not that you would necessarily want to, but it might be helpful as you would want to mod in Sleaze and run Smoke-and-Mirrors and offset your noise with Signal Scrub and native Noise Reduction from the RCC. That means that you can actually effectively Run Silent instead of Running Silent while waving a flag out your pee-goo.

Is Clearsight useful or made redundant by EW because are all sensors?

[gradivus]

Let me try this one to see how wrong I am

Perception + Intuition [Mental] Test so Clearsight would be Rating of Autosoft + Pilot [Pilot] test

vs EW in place of perception:
Electronic Warfare + INT [Sensor] (it says EW in place of Perception but does not mention changing INT to LOG, anyone know if this should actually be LOG?) so the EW test would translate to EW + Pilot[Sensor]

If your sensor rating is equal to or better than your pilot rating, then yes, Clearsight is redundant.
If your pilot rating is better than your sensor rating, Clearsight could get more hits.

[falar]

I believe that's right. I had never considered the limits, but it actually makes a huge difference.

[Csjarrat]

also depends on your GM's interpretation of sensor suite upgrades. If you're allowed to install them into the sensors like you could in the older editions (rules seem to suggest you can and chummer etc allow you to do it so thats how i play, i know others differ on the matter) then you can easily boost your sensor limit for certain tests {visual only tests can get the benefits of image enhancement, audio only tests get the bonus of audio enhance etc etc}

[gradivus]

also depends on your GM's interpretation of sensor suite upgrades. If you're allowed to install them into the sensors like you could in the older editions (rules seem to suggest you can and chummer etc allow you to do it so thats how i play, i know others differ on the matter) then you can easily boost your sensor limit for certain tests {visual only tests can get the benefits of image enhancement, audio only tests get the bonus of audio enhance etc etc}

Yes, if you can improve the sensor rating that's the way to go and bye-bye to clearsight.

[Rooks]

kinda derping here where does it say you can use electronic warfare inplace of clearsight? what about using a RCC Cyberdeck or a commlink is it my intutition+clearsight?

[Haywire]

kinda derping here where does it say you can use electronic warfare inplace of clearsight? what about using a RCC Cyberdeck or a commlink is it my intutition+clearsight?

On the sensor rules p 202 (maybe) says that you can use ew and sensor limit instead of perception and mental limit.
For drones it would be clearsight + pilot or ew + pilot.

[gradivus]

kinda derping here where does it say you can use electronic warfare inplace of clearsight? what about using a RCC Cyberdeck or a commlink is it my intutition+clearsight?

On the sensor rules p 202 (maybe) says that you can use ew and sensor limit instead of perception and mental limit.
For drones it would be clearsight + pilot or ew + pilot.

You wrote it yourself...On the sensor rules p 202 (maybe) says that you can use ew and sensor limit instead of perception and mental limit. Therefore its Clearsight + Pilot {w/Pilot as Limit]or EW + Pilot [w/Sensor as Limit]. The Pilot replaces any mental stat that the drone doesn't have, it doesn't replace sensor since it has a sensor rating. And the limit is more important to determine whether or not the Clearsight or EW autosoft is better for Perception tests. I mean 9 dice using EW while only having Sensor 1 is inferior to 6 Dice using Clearsight with Pilot 2.

[Haywire]

In the CRB I see no vehicle or drone with less Sensor than Pilot, so i figured that was implicit.

[gradivus]

In the CRB I see no vehicle or drone with less Sensor than Pilot, so i figured that was implicit.

I believe that the CRB is not exhaustive list of drones not vehicle.

Caduceus 7, (pilot 2 sensors 1) Bullets and bandages
In SR4 there were others, and this edition may or may not bring them back.
In any event, Rigger 5 shall be interesting and hopefully not a disappointment.
But I'm not holding my breath.
In any event I expect to see the sky full of microdrones with improved sensors in the near future.

[Haywire]

It's easy to raise sensor limits through vision or audio enhancement, not so pilot rating. I think EW has an edge on clearsight per actual rules.

[gradivus]

It's easy to raise sensor limits through vision or audio enhancement, not so pilot rating. I think EW has an edge on clearsight per actual rules.

We're in total agreement on this one.

[Wakshaani]

Does the device rating limit the rating of the autosoft? For instance, most have rating of 3, so does that mean I can only run a rating 3 autosoft on them?

This will be made clear in Rigger 5.