[FST_Gemstar]

So I guess these aren't official, but I always thought that Charisma-based traditions and the people who practice them can be broadly called shamanic or shamans and that logic-based traditions and the people who practice them Hermetic. Of course there are actual traditions with these names, but I also thought these were the more general category names too.

I realize that there is no broad category name for magic or magic users that use Intuition-based traditions. Anyone have any ideas of what they could be called? 

[ProfGast]

A quick look at Int based traditions shows Buddhism, Chaos, Druidic, Sioux and Goddess Wicca.

If we follow your line of reasoning and broadly claim Logic-based traditions are focused around Hermetic-style "understanding", and Charisma-based are about shamanic-style "communing" then....

... the common thread for Intution-based traditions seems to be "becoming" or "harmony."  Buddhism is about harmony within oneself, Druidic is harmony within nature, Sioux is about harmony with the Great Spirit.  For a western (Hermetic style) classification I'd probably go with the most known and call them the "Druidic" styles.

[CitizenJoe]

Harmonic?

I think the charisma based are spiritual.  Logic based are likely the practical traditions.

[Herr Brackhaus]

That's a great question. The traditions are no help because they're all over the place, and a high level view has hermetics view magic as a science and shamans view magic as more spiritual.

Maybe philosophy could work as a reference. If hermetics are the empiricists of philosophy, realism could perhaps be the alternative.

Alternatively, maybe the study of metaphysics could be applied to Intuition based magic. Metaphysics include realism and a host of other theories. More importantly, I just like the term metaphysicist

Alternatively alternatively, pragmatism is certainly different from hermeticism and shamanism. While the hermetics want to study and codify magic and the shamans want to commune with the spirits and achieve harmony with nature, the pragmatics just use magic as they want/need to and don't question why. In other words, they're more focused on action rather than words.

Of course, it's been a long time since my introduction to philosophy course, so I could be entirely off on all of this

[Haywire]

I'd go with Druidic to keep the feel of a traditional user of magic (eg the counterpart of the Shaman in a Indian tribe is the Druid in a Celtic tribe).

[Senko]

Druidic sounds nice to me as well. If your classifying by theme logic = magic is a sicence, charisma = magic is a spiritual communion, intuition = magic is an art form and an understanding of the beuaty int he world?

[SmilinIrish]

I view the traditions differently.  I see the three non religious traditions as Shamanic (charisma), Hermetic (logic) and Chaos (intuition).  I don't consider all charisma traditions to be shamanic.  I see the non religious charisma tradition to be shamanic.  I don't consider all logic based traditions to be hermetic, I consider the non religious logic tradition as hermetic.  I think Chaos should be in the base book as a generic tradition. 

[gradivus]

I view the traditions differently.  I see the three non religious traditions as Shamanic (charisma), Hermetic (logic) and Chaos (intuition).  I don't consider all charisma traditions to be shamanic.  I see the non religious charisma tradition to be shamanic.  I don't consider all logic based traditions to be hermetic, I consider the non religious logic tradition as hermetic.  I think Chaos should be in the base book as a generic tradition.

Chaos is a horrible name for the whole group as Chaos is rather more loosey goosey about what they believe as a whole than other Int based (heck any based) tradition.

I'd go with  "esotericism" or "esoteric"

[SmilinIrish]

I'm saying that hermetic and shamanic aren't good names for the "category".  They are specific, non religious traditions.  The categories are Intuition mages, Charisma mages, and Logic mages.  That was my point by saying all charisma mages aren't shamanic, etc. 

[Rosa]

Here's a suggestion, that goes in a slightly different direction.

Charisma based traditions: Channelers ( since they mostly view their magic as being channeled through them from other sources ( i.e. a God or a Totem ...)

Logic based traditions: Benders ( since they usually see magic as a force to be mastered and its Laws to be bend to serve the magician )

Intuition based traditions: Weavers ( since i imagine that they would view magic as something to be shaped through imagination and inspiration, sort of like an artist )

[gradivus]

I'm saying that hermetic and shamanic aren't good names for the "category".  They are specific, non religious traditions.  The categories are Intuition mages, Charisma mages, and Logic mages.  That was my point by saying all charisma mages aren't shamanic, etc.

Rereading, yup, that's what you said...

Went right over my head the first time... silly wabbit that I am.

[gradivus]

Here's a suggestion, that goes in a slightly different direction.

Charisma based traditions: Channelers ( since they mostly view their magic as being channeled through them from other sources ( i.e. a God or a Totem ...)

Logic based traditions: Benders ( since they usually see magic as a force to be mastered and its Laws to be bend to serve the magician )

Intuition based traditions: Weavers ( since i imagine that they would view magic as something to be shaped through imagination and inspiration, sort of like an artist )

Except there are several Logic and Intuition based religious traditions.
How about we settle for calling them by their individual names.
Mechanically, CHA, INT and LOG are one of the three things that separate traditions (the other two being type of spirits summoned and materialization/possession).
However, fluff wise, there's a whole lot more that separates the traditions.
So trying to categorize them just on drain stat is probably the wrong way to go anyway.

[Rosa]

@Gradivus

My categorizations have nothing whatsoever to do with religion, but rather they way those people following the traditions see the way that they interact with magic and mana. I'm well aware that there are several religious traditions that have for example logic as the Associated stat. Take for example the Egyptian tradition, a logic based tradition as far as i recall. Egyptian magic, especially when we ar talking "Book of the Dead" style magic is very much based around the idea that magic bends reality to the magicians will, and that you can even use it to "cheat" your way into the afterlife if done properly.

So whether the tradition in question is religious or not has no bearing on the terms i chose, but as i said rather the way the magician sees him/herself interacting with the forces of magic.

Personally i don't see a need for a "name" for intuition based traditions, but if people want to have  name for them, then by all Means, i've added my two cents on the matter.

[gradivus]

@Rosa my point is you called CHA channelers cause they're channeling a higher force whether it be god or nature or whatever,

Aren't INT based religious traditions also channeling their gods?

And Eygptian tradition is INT based so your Book of the Dead logical magicians must have been practicing hermatic magic on the banks of the Nile. Or maybe it was written by the Hebrew slaves and is actually Qabbalistic.

Face it, the developers wanted a spread between the three mental stats and some of these traditions were arbitrarily  pigeonholed holed to satisfy that. It happens all the time in game design.

[Senko]

Why I'd personally prefer willpower + magic but then you run into balance issues.