[Sir_Prometheus]

Making a unarmed adept (for runnerhub) if it matters.  Run the #'s and satisfied that human actually works better than orc, but the human does have about 2 points less dmg. 

General question, do you think it's worth it to get bone lacing?  Aluminum, specifically.  (cuz chargen limit of availability 12, can't fit Titanium under 1 essence)

[Mirikon]

Because bone lacing directly affects your unarmed attacks, it isn't a bad idea. Of course, any essence loss drops your magic, and robs you of PP, which can be used for many things. The increase of Body and Armor aren't bad, either.

Boils down to personal preference, really. I'd personally avoid the 'ware, and invest that PP in things which either enhance my unarmed attacks, or help with other things, such as wall running, combat senses, and so on. Being able to maneuver in three dimensions and avoiding hits rather than soaking them is generally better, IMO. But YMMV.

[Jack_Spade]

If you can't get titanium, I wouldn't bother.

But if you take the Transhuman quality, you can fit bone density bioware and striking calluses into your character without losing essence. It's an easy +3 or 4 to damage.

[ScytheKnight]

Used Titanium Bone Lacing is easily available and still comes in at under 2 Essence. (1.875 actually)

[Sir_Prometheus]

So, can't (won't) do titanium.  A) That would be the loss of 2 magic rather than 1 B) 16R means you can't get it at character gen.  Even replacing it with better 'ware alter, Betaware Titanium comes in at 1.05 essence, meaning 2 magic.  Just not willing to lose 2 magic, really.  If deltaware becomes available, sure. 

Transhuman and bone density is a decent idea, except that this is Runnerhub, and that would be a "special character"  This is my first runnerhub character....anyway, can't do it yet.  Maybe next time. 

So it sounds like overall, you guys aren't against the idea.  It's +2 armor, +2 body (mostly), and +2 dmg, so that's all pretty good for -1 Magic. 

[PiXeL01]

Can't you get delta ware titanium through use of the Restricted Gear quality?
So 10 karma, 75,000 nuyen and 0,75 essence to start with +3 body/armor/unarmed damage and only costs you 1 magic.

[Jack_Spade]

Restricted gear only changes availability - you still can't get deltaware.

[bangbangtequila]

Restricted gear only changes availability - you still can't get deltaware.

This. It specifically forbids Delta at Chargen because of the rarity and exclusivity of delta clinics

[Sir_Prometheus]

I thought you couldn't even get betaware at chargen, regardless of availability. 

[PiXeL01]

Ah, I see. I just remembered availability going up so I assumed those grades would be allowed too.

[gradivus]

Sir P- not trying to talk you into titanium as I understand not trying to lose more than 1 ess.

However- used bio/cyberware has a lower availability so used titanium is a 12 not the original 16.

Having said that,,If I'm going to lose 1 MR I'd rather get Used Muscle Toner [3] .75ess 69750 nuyen availability 11... hitting more often is more important than whether you base is 7 or 9 DV.. A troll with 16 DV but only 8 DP is going to do less damage over time than an elf with 5 DV but 18DP.

Of course just 2 Used Muscle Toner plus Boost Attribute(AGI)[1] is sufficient to get you the +4 augmented maximum. This would free up space to take .5 ess worth of stuff.

[gradivus]

As an aside I don't get why they don't errata cyber snob quality's cost and allow you to buy betaware in chargen since you can only buy betaware or better with this quality.

[Sir_Prometheus]

I think it was meant to be alphaware, not betware.  Runnerhub has house ruled it as such.

Anyway, I'm an adept, I sorta doubt hitting things is going to be an issue.  And one you hit things, 1 dv is roughly equal to 3 dice. 

If there was an adept power that replicated bone lacing (even if more expensive), I'd do that, but there isn't really.  (well, you can combine 3 or different powers...but you get the idea, and it's a LOT more expensive.)

[Pap Renvela]

The only dev that chimed in on Cyber Snob as I recall was Wak who didn't write the quality. He said he'd drop the cost and change it to alpha but that doesn't mean the original author's or the line editor's intent is the same as Wak said he'd prefer to do to balance it.

[Whiskeyjack]

As an aside I don't get why they don't errata cyber snob quality's cost and allow you to buy betaware in chargen since you can only buy betaware or better with this quality.

A better question is "why don't they release any updates errata in general"