[belaran]

Hi,

In the core rulebook, I could not find a wireless bonus associated with a control rig. Is there one ? And if not what would be the point for a rigger to leave the wireless on ?

[Kiirnodel]

To be able to control drones wirelessly?

[Novocrane]

It has a datajack.

[Marcus Gideon]

It has a datajack.

It functions like a datajack. It is not "a datajack" and hence does not inherit the wireless bonus of a datajack (that being the Rating 1 Noise Reduction).

[adzling]

this!
It would be rather hard for most riggers to jump into a drone flying around with a cable running between it and the rigger....

To be able to control drones wirelessly?

[Pap Renvela]

It has a datajack.

It functions like a datajack. It is not "a datajack" and hence does not inherit the wireless bonus of a datajack (that being the Rating 1 Noise Reduction).

That's your interpretation.

[Tarislar]

I can see it going both ways.

It doesn't SAY you have the wireless bonus.

But 5E is notorious for not repeating itself.

So saying "its like getting a free Datajack" would imply all the same functions of said Datajack

So to me, I'd say it includes the wireless bonus.

[Pap Renvela]

Personally, it doesn't matter to me which way a GM calls this. I lean toward it can get the noise reduction but not so heavily that I say its the only interpretation.

[Marcus Gideon]

Readers like you guys, are the reason why they had to duplicate effort between the Core book and Data Trails.

Core pg 258, Technomancer Echo: Mind over Machine

You get the benefit of a Rating 1 control rig. You may take this echo up to two additional times (for a total of three), with the effective control rig rating increasing by 1 each time you take it.

Data Trails pg 59, MMRI

Known as the Man-Machine Resonance Interface, this echo subtly manipulates the Resonance coming off the technomancer, allowing them to better jump into drones and rigger-modified devices. This provides the same effects as a control rig (p. 452, SR5), without the free datajack and datacable. This can be taken up to three times, each increasing the effective rating of the control rig by one.

When people like you guys read "the benefit of a control rig" they started arguing that it also meant your flesh and blood Technomancer suddenly sprouts a datacable out their ass or something. And they made such a stink (pun intended) that the writers felt compelled to come back and say "no, you don't grow a cable."

Core pg 452, Control Rig

It has a built-in sim module, so you can use it for DNI with other devices. It also comes with a universal data connector and about a meter of retractable cable (it’s like getting a free datajack).

Nowhere in there does it even remotely imply that IT IS a datajack. It just says that it comes with the same accessories as the datajack.

[Pap Renvela]

Known as the Man-Machine Resonance Interface, this echo subtly manipulates the Resonance coming off the technomancer, allowing them to better jump into drones and rigger-modified devices. This provides the same effects as a control rig (p. 452, SR5), without the free datajack and datacable. This can be taken up to three times, each increasing the effective rating of the control rig by one.

The bold part indicates an actual control rig versus the echo has a free datajack and cable.

It's plain English.

I don't believe either of us said you get a datajack with the echo- the Technomancers have to get skinlink after all.

[Marcus Gideon]

Mind over Machine from the Core book, and MMRI from Data Trails, do the exact same things. The difference being that MMRI explicitly states it does not come with a datacable. The reason for which, was b/c everybody kept asking about whether MoM from the Core was supposed to, since it gives "the benefits of a control rig".

In that same regard, when you guys are seeing "it's kinda like a free datajack", you're reading WAY into that and coming out with the notion that you get the datajack Wireless bonus.

[belaran]

OK, so to sum up : Control Rig 1 gives you the same (wireless) bonus as a datajack, but as the rigger character is just a "driver" (meaning he always physically jumps in the vehicule and has no RCC) he does not actually needs this bonus.

So, unless I missed something, there is no reason for the character to be running his cyberware "wireless" (he just have a control rig, nothing else).

[Jack_Spade]

As a rigger you can also jump into a drone that you control remotely - in that case you need wireless and noise reduction

[belaran]

Yes, but again he is more of a driver (control rig, no RCC, no drone), so I don't see any needs for noise reduction (he is inside his vehicule when he uses his control rig).

[Jack_Spade]

A car is just a more robust drone 
Controlling your car from the safety of your base might be relevant at times.

The wireless bonus would therefore be: Not getting shot in the meat