[PiXeL01]

Between the (re)release of SR legends and Seattle Sprawl there are several mentionings of Spider as a totem, sorry, mentor spirit.

Will She and our elusive friend Raccoon make an appearance for PC use in the near future like Coyote?

If not, how would you stat her?

[Reaver]

um.....


last I looked, Spider is an insect mentor.... meaning,

BUG Shaman!!!

Not exactly what I would call "PC material", given just what the "bugs" want, how they operate, and their motives..

[Rosa]

Spider is not an insect spirit, rather spider is one of the biggest enemies of the insect spirits, always have been, for example if you read about Spiders plane in Aetherology that becomes quite evident, also the write up of the spider totem back in "magic in the shadows" also specifically mentions spider as a "Hunter of insects".

 I recall someone publishing a list of converted mentor spirits here a while ago, the list included all totems, idols and mentors from 3rd and 4th editions, i've tried to find it via the search function but no luck so far, maybe someone else remembers this list.

[PiXeL01]

In Bug City for SR2 there was a write-up as well for players to use. For it isn't such an alien thought at all

[Herr Brackhaus]

Yeah, Spider isn't an insect totem, but it does have some... interesting... motivations.

At least one of the Sam Verner novels deals with Spider as a totem, and the results are frightening, to say the least. Still, I would totally allow it as a PC Mentor Spirit in my game.

Bug City from 2nd, and Magic In The Shadows from 3rd both lists Spider as preferring quiet, dark places and disliking open areas away from shelter, and as a master weaver who waits patiently for all things to come to her. In those editions the benefits are related to illusion spells and nature spirits, while the disadvantages are related to being out in the open or not having time to plan.

Street Magic from 4th expands on this by giving bonuses to Detection and Illusion spells, and requiring a composure test (3) to make quick decisions in situations they haven't prepared for.

With that in mind, I would stat Spider as follows for SR5:
SPIDER
Spider weaves the web of worlds and waits patiently for all things to come to her. Her mood may be dark and fearsome, but she takes a curious interest in her followers and will protect them behind her web, ruthlessly capturing invaders who might do them harm. From the center of her web she is the mistress of schemes and conspiracies, but she does not appreciate surprises that manage to slip past her silken strands.

Advantages
All: +2 dice pool modifier for either Assensing or Leadership Tests
Magician: +2 dice to either Detection or Illusion spells, preparations, and rituals
Adept: 1 free level of Commanding Voice Authoritative Tone, or free Motion Sense or Three-Dimensional Memory

Disadvantages
Spider magicians are not quick on their feet. They must make a Willpower + Charisma (3) Test to make any quick decisions in situations they have not planned for.

Similar Archetypes: Authority, Schemer

I should note that I modify the base mentor spirits to give a little more freedom in terms of choice, hence why the above has a choice for all advantages.

[Rosa]

I like Herr's write up on Spider, but if you want an alternative and also Raccoon as you mentioned in the opening post i managed to track down that list i mentioned http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=17445.0 This list has all mentor spirits from 3rd and 4th edition statted for 5th edition ( be aware that the list is split over two posts in the thread )

Spider:
Spider (SM 183)
All: +2 dice to Con or Negotiation tests (pick 1)
Magician: +2 dice to Detection spells or Binding tests (pick 1)
Adept: 1 free level of Combat Sense
Disad: As Mountain in SR5

Raccoon:
Raccoon (SR3 166)
Advantage: All: +2 dice to Palming or Sneaking tests (pick 1)
Magician: +2 dice to Manipulation spells or spirits of man (pick 1)
Adept: Free Nimble Fingers and 1 free level of Attribute Boost (Agility)
Disadvantage: When tempted, followers of Raccoon must make a Wil + Cha (3) test avoid stealing something precious or significant; only the best will do

Both are from the thread linked above

[adzling]

FYI Herr Commanding Voice has changed (multiple times) but the final version they settled on was the original 1 power point version from Stolen Souls.
So no levels for Commanding Voice, it's 1 pp or nothing.

[Herr Brackhaus]

Bah, Stolen Souls got preference? All right, then something else that gives a social bonus for .5 power point

ETA:
Oh, but Errata clarifies that Commanding Voice from Street Grimoire just got rebranded to Authoritative Tone at a cost of .5 PP per level. So one free level of that. Done!

[firebug]

I wonder if there was ever stats for a Moth/Butterfly totem.  I know that WOULD be an insect totem, but I'm still curious.  Moth more than Butterfly, for reasons.

[PiXeL01]

I think moth bug spirits were mentioned in Bug City as insect spirits. Fireflies too so you would never see them as PC material

[Herr Brackhaus]

Bug City (2nd Edition) lists Ant, Beetle, Cicada, Firefly, Fly, Mantis, Mosquito, Roach, and Wasp.

Magic in the Shadows (3rd Edition) lists Termites in addition to the above, while Street Magic (4th Edition) adds Locust.

No mention of Moth or Butterfly as far as I know, but they could be easily added by an enterprising GM.

[Xexanoth]

I wonder if there was ever stats for a Moth/Butterfly totem.

if that happens im so gonna build THE MIGHTY MONARCH!

You see, just like the flawless monarch butterfly from which I take my name, The Monarch has many ways to sting.

Otherwise the Butterfly would propably be good for social adepts.

[ScytheKnight]

While we're on the matter of missing Mentor Spirits... What the hell happened to Coyote? it seems to have been the original Mentor/Totem but the only mention of it in 5E is that it's similar, but different, to Raven...

[PiXeL01]

Coyote actually got His own entry in ... the mission Counting Coup p. 24.

NEW MENTOR SPIRIT: COYOTE
The embodiment of a wild trickster, Coyote never comes at a problem head on. Instead, he prefers to use a combination of guile, wit, and misdirection against his enemies. Unfortunately, he tends to treat his allies the same way. Coyote delights in messing with people, but he’s not malicious. Rather, he just enjoys pointing out the various absurdities in people and in life. While his actions may seem confusing and sometimes contradictory, there’s always a method to Coyote’s madness.

ADVANTAGES
All: +2 dice pool to all Con tests
Magician: +1 to all Manipulation and Illusion spell tests,
preparations, and rituals
Adept: Danger Sense level 2

DISADVANTAGES
Coyote has a hard time with head-on attacks or brute force methods, unless it’s part of a larger con or misdirection. Anytime he is forced into such actions, he must make a Willpower + Charisma [Mental] (4) Test. If he fails, then he decides to do things another way, which means he may exit a combat instead of participating in it.

[Raiderjoseph]

I wonder if there was ever stats for a Moth/Butterfly totem.

if that happens im so gonna build THE MIGHTY MONARCH!

You see, just like the flawless monarch butterfly from which I take my name, The Monarch has many ways to sting.

Otherwise the Butterfly would propably be good for social adepts.

Glad im not the only one who watches that show. I think the Blue Morpho would be cool to run as.