[dluxcru]

So I take it you don't need to buy a pilot program, then, since Pilot is a drone stat?

[Tym Jalynsfein]

An extension of your logic applied to a real world application would also mean that manual dexterity and reflexes would have no effect on your ability to play Call of Duty (or similar)

Actually, it flows the other way... Your Call of Duty skills have absolutely no correlation to your Ability to do the real thing, with the real weapons and the real equipment/vehicles. None whatsoever. Call of Duty in no way simulates the reality of what happens in a real combat situation. Your typical Call of Duty nerd would die a horrible and painful death on a real battlefield. Conversely, the ability of a combat trained individual to notice things (his perception) will pay off in a video game environment, but none of his reactions or agility will mean squat because his BODY is not actually performing the movements - his mind is. He is button mashing and that is not the same as using his Reaction and Agility and Muscle memory for staying alive in a combat environment.     

[adzling]

yeah the logic/ agility topic has been covered extensively on these boards and others the outcome has always been logic for gunnery when you are jumped in and/ or using sensors.

Agility when you manipulate the gun by hands, so a weapon on a pintle mount for example would use agility + gunnery.

But you can't fire a pintle mounted weapon when jumped in, only automated weapons.

Which always use logic + gunnery.

Really as a rigger you don't need agility as it has no bearing on piloting vehicles/ drones or firing their weapons.
You will need agility of course if you want to run reasonably fast, shoot a sidearm etc.

[Aaron]

Here's how we looked at it:

Your brain, when firing that mounted gun via the Matrix, uses the same parts of itself when firing it. You're using your usual instincts to aim at the target, intuit deflection shots on moving targets, compensating for recoil, etc. The VR software is there to leverage your natural skill, and so it's mimicking real life when you use it. Thus, firing a mounted gun via the Matrix uses your Agility + Gunnery unless ...

When you use sensors on the target, the computer is doing most of the work for you. It's doing all of the work you'd be doing instinctively, and just showing you the target and where you might like to aim. Sensor targeting is the "put the reticle on the target and press the right trigger" kind of aiming, and it uses Logic + Gunnery for your dice pool.

That said, see the sig for the usual disclaimers. Your GM, as always, wins ties. =i)

[BrysenBlue]

Which always use logic + gunnery.

Really as a rigger you don't need agility as it has no bearing on piloting vehicles/ drones or firing their weapons.
You will need agility of course if you want to run reasonably fast, shoot a sidearm etc.

Its funny, I would have gone to Reaction or Intuition before Logic. Whenever I think of FPS and the kind of folks that rock that scene, I don't really think of geniuses. Attacking with a weapon systems HUD would essentially be the same thing, surely?

No matter, we just stick with the core rules and go with agility but it is something interesting to think about.

[dluxcru]

Does one need to buy the pilot autosofts, since pilot is a drone stat?

== Info ==
Name: Ven'ar Gemreaper            Alias: The Gemreaper
Dwarf, M                          Movement: 10/20
3'10", 150 LB                     Composure: 7
Street Cred: 0                    Judge Intentions: 8
Notoriety: 0                      Lift/Carry: 8 (45 kg/30 kg)
Public Awareness: 0               Memory: 9
Karma: 0                          Nuyen: 1539
Age: 35                          Skin: Mid Tanned
Eyes: Steel Gray                  Hair: Copper

== Priorities ==
Metatype: C - Human, Dwarf, Elf, or Ork
Attributes: B - 20 Attributes
Special: E - Mundane
Skills: D - 22 Skills/0 Skill Groups
Resources: A - 450,000¥

== Attributes ==
BOD: 5                            CHA: 3
AGI: 5                            INT: 5
REA: 5 (7)                        LOG: 3 (5)
STR: 3                            WIL: 4
EDG: 2                           

== Derived Attributes ==
Essence: 2.35                     Initiative:           10 (12) + 1d6
Physical Damage Track: 11         Rigger Init:          12 + 1d6
Stun Damage Track: 10             Astral Init:         
Physical: 6                       Matrix AR Init:       12 + 1d6
Mental: 7                         Matrix VR Cold Init:  5 + DP + 3d6
Social: 5                         Matrix VR Hot Init:   5 + DP + 4d6
Astral: 7

== Active Skills ==
Aeronautics Mechanic              Base: 3  + Karma: 0  = 3   Pool: 8
Armorer                           Base: 3  + Karma: 0  = 3   Pool: 8
Automotive Mechanic               Base: 3  + Karma: 0  = 3   Pool: 8
Electronic Warfare                Base: 1  + Karma: 0  = 1   Pool: 6
Hardware                          Base: 1  + Karma: 0  = 1   Pool: 6
Longarms                          Base: 3  + Karma: 0  = 3   Pool: 8
Pilot Aircraft                    Base: 4  + Karma: 0  = 4   Pool: 12
Pilot Ground Craft                Base: 4  + Karma: 0  = 4   Pool: 12

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Engineering                       Base: 6  + Karma: 0  = 6   Pool: 11
English                           Base: 1  + Karma: 0  = 1   Pool: 6
Firearms                          Base: 5  + Karma: 0  = 5   Pool: 10
German                            N                     
Music                             Base: 4  + Karma: 0  = 4   Pool: 9

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(Supply Sergeant), Seattle (CON: 1, LOY: 1)
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Dr. (Street Doc), Seattle (CON: 1, LOY: 1)

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Born Rich
Day Job (20 hrs)
Distinctive Style
Juryrigger
Poor Self Control (Braggart)
Resistance to Pathogens/Toxins
SINner (National) (German)
Steely Eyed Wheelman
Thermographic Vision
Vehicle Empathy

== Lifestyles ==
Truck Bed (Street)  1 months

== Cyberware/Bioware ==
Cerebral Booster Rating 2
Control Rig Rating 2
Reaction Enhancers Rating 2

== Armor ==
Armor Jacket                        12
   +Fire Resistance 3
   +Insulation 3
   +Nonconductivity 3
   +Thermal Damping 3

== Weapons ==
Cavalier Arms Crockett EBR
   +Imaging Scope
   +Shock Pad
   +Silencer
   +Spare Clip
   +Stock
   +Tripod
   Pool: 8        Accuracy: 6     DV: 12P      AP: -3    RC: 9
Colt M23
   +Gas-Vent 3 System
   +Gyro Mount
   +Shock Pad
   +Slide Mount
   +Smartgun System, External
   +Spare Clip
   +Spare Clip
   +Spare Clip
   +Spare Clip
   +Stock
   +Underbarrel Grapple Gun
   Pool: 4        Accuracy: 6     DV: 9P       AP: -2    RC: 12
Grapple Gun
   Pool: 0        Accuracy: 3     DV: 7S       AP: -2    RC: 2
Shock Gloves
   Pool: 4        Accuracy: 6     DV: 8S(e)    AP: -5    RC: 2
Steyr TMP
   +Concealed Quick-Draw Holster
   +Flashlight, Infrared
   +Gas-Vent 3 System
   +Laser Sight
   +Smartgun System, Internal
   +Spare Clip
   Pool: 4        Accuracy: 6     DV: 7P       AP: -     RC: 5
Unarmed Attack
   Pool: 4        Accuracy: 6     DV: 3S       AP: -     RC: 2

== Commlink ==
Erika Elite (ATT: 0, SLZ: 0, DP: 4, FWL: 4)
   +Satellite Link
   +Subvocal Mic
   +Trid Projector
Vulcan Liegelord (ATT: 0, SLZ: 0, DP: 5, FWL: 6)
   +Autosoft (MCT Rotodrone Manuevering) Rating 6
   +Autosoft (Ares Alpha Targeting) Rating 6
   +Autosoft (Electronic Warfare) Rating 6
   +Autosoft (Clearsight) Rating 6
   +Encryption
   +Toolbox
   +Signal Scrub
   +Virtual Machine
   +Armor
   +Biofeedback Filter
   +Guard
   +Sneak
   +Wrapper
   +Armor

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Ammo: Regular Ammo (Sniper Rifles) x20
Ammo: Regular Ammo (Assault Rifles) x160
Ammo: Regular Ammo (Machine Pistols) x30
Ammo: Stick-n-Shock (Machine Pistols) x30
Canteen, One Liter
Certified Credstick, Silver
Fake SIN (Tuskar Deepdigger) Rating 4
   +Fake License (Drone License) Rating 4
   +Fake License (Pilot License) Rating 4
   +Fake License (Military Weapons License) Rating 4
Flashlight, Infrared
Goggles Rating 6
   +Flare Compensation
   +Image Link
   +Low Light
   +Vision Enhancement Rating 2
   +Vision Magnification
Grapple Gun
   +Catalyst Stick
   +Stealth Rope (100m)
Miniwelder
   +Miniwelder Fuel Canister
Musical Instrument (Good)
Tool Belt (Cheap)
Tool Kit
   +Roll of Duct Tape
   +Tube of Epoxy
   +Ruler (Cheap)
   +Power Tool (Cheap) (Drill)
Vehicle Tire (Cheap)

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MCT-Nissan Roto-drone (Medium)
   +Rigger Interface
   +Weapon Mount
   +Ammo: Regular Ammo (Assault Rifles) x100
   +Autosoft (Pilot) Rating 3
   +Minigrenade: Smoke x6
   +Sensor Array Rating 3
MCT-Nissan Roto-drone (Medium)
   +Rigger Interface
   +Weapon Mount
   +Ammo: Regular Ammo (Assault Rifles) x100
   +Autosoft (Pilot) Rating 3
   +Minigrenade: Gas x6
      +Neuro-Stun VIII
Northrup Wasp (Autogyro)
   +Heavy Weapon Mount
   +Heavy Weapon Mount
   +Rigger Interface
   +Spoof Chips
   +Ammo: Regular Ammo (Medium Machine Guns) x250
   +Autosoft (Pilot) Rating 3
   +Autosoft (Stoner Ares M202 Targeting) Rating 3
   +Autosoft (Aztechnology Striker Targeting) Rating 3
   +Autosoft (Manuevering) Rating 3
   +Sensor Array Rating 3
      +Atmosphere Sensor Rating 3
      +Laser Range Finder Rating 3
      +Camera Rating 3
Steel Lynx Combat Drone (Large)
   +Chameleon Coating
   +Heavy Weapon Mount
   +Rigger Interface
   +Weapon Mount
   +Ammo: Regular Ammo (Assault Rifles) x100
   +Autosoft (Pilot) Rating 3
   +Autosoft (Manuvering) Rating 3
   +Autosoft (Ares Antioch-2 Targeting) Rating 3
   +Autosoft (Colt M23 Targeting) Rating 3
   +Minigrenade: Fragmentation x6
   +Sensor Array Rating 3
Toyota Gopher (Heavy-Duty Pickup)
   +Morphing License Plate
   +Rigger Interface
   +Smuggling Compartment (Troll)
   +Spoof Chips
   +Autosoft (Pilot) Rating 1
   +Sensor Array Rating 2


Just the latest updates.

[忍]

Autosofts are a drone's skills. If you want it to shoot, sneak, avoid attacks, etc, you want to buy autosofts. The drone's pilot acts as its attributes.

The Pilot Rating will act as an attribute while an autosoft will act as a skill.
IE Pilot + [Weapon] Targeting would be an average attack roll.