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How do I *not* get arrested for driving a BMW I8 Interceptor?

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Blackraine

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« on: <08-04-16/0521:41> »
Obviously for most things that are (R)estricted or (F)orbidden, there are some simple solutions... hide it in your big coat, keep it stashed in the trunk, give it to the Troll and tell him to look mean, etc.  But for big items that are... not just unable to be concealed, but are, themselves, the modes of transportation you're using, it seems like you'd pretty much never be able to actually use them as a Shadowrunner.  Obviously, location matters.  Out in the wilds, tearing across the NAN, you're probably going to blend in with the other Mad Max groupies driving around out there.  But in anything resembling Corporate-owned areas, is it remotely feasible to have such a vehicle?  What measures would you take to do so without getting caught/shot-on-sight by security?

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« Reply #1 on: <08-04-16/0526:02> »
First of all: Get spoof chip.
That takes care of 90% of all scans to identify the type of your car.

For the remaining 10% you have the option to Yerz your car - case mods, spoilers, etc. and afterwards no-one can tell the type for sure anymore.
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« Reply #2 on: <08-04-16/1029:13> »
Provided you have the fake license to go with it, driving around with a Restricted vehicle shouldn't be a problem.  You might get pulled over once in a while to check, but nobody really expects people to be driving the streets like they own the place in an illegal vehicle.  Forbidden is where things get tricky. 
Would you want to go into a place where the resident had a drum-fed shotgun and can see in the dark?

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« Reply #3 on: <08-04-16/1107:24> »
I agree with MijRai.

(R) rated items are fairly easy to get away with, you just need the proper licences and papers and you're good to go... so make sure you got a good fake SIN, and a proper cover story!

(F) rated vehicles on the other hand? Don't waste your time. These items are NEVER available to the public and remain firmly in the hands of the Federal/Corporate governments/military.
Where am I going? And why am I in a hand basket ???

Remember: You can't fix Stupid. But you can beat on it with a 2x4 until it smartens up! Or dies.

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« Reply #4 on: <08-04-16/1111:05> »
You don't.

It's not there for you.

Just because it's in the book doesn't mean it's for runners to have -- that's a high-threat response vehicle for police.

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DigitalZombie

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« Reply #5 on: <08-04-16/1716:04> »
I could imagine some of the grander runs could potentially involve F vehicles like the BMW I8 intercepter. But that would be scenario specific - and involve many pre-runs and whatnot.

Or get your GM to run a campaign where you are the "good guys" trying to stop those evil SINless scum trying to ruin your beautiful corporate day.

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« Reply #6 on: <08-05-16/0923:23> »
I could imagine some of the grander runs could potentially involve F vehicles like the BMW I8 intercepter. But that would be scenario specific - and involve many pre-runs and whatnot.

Or get your GM to run a campaign where you are the "good guys" trying to stop those evil SINless scum trying to ruin your beautiful corporate day.

How...how has that never occurred to me before?! It's all the best parts of Paranoia and Office Space!

It's...beautiful!  :o

(Actually, my CP2020 game was based around the players being big hitters in a small security corp, but actual Rent-a-Cops would be hilarious!)

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Senko

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« Reply #7 on: <08-20-16/0854:05> »
Depending on how you play it you could have anything form gritty beleagured rentacops trying to make their paycheck and get home alive through to a commedic IT crowd or the community type situation "I'm telling you if we just wrap tinfoil around the server they wont be able to hack it" . . . . "I love newbies."

That reminds me I need to track down the IT crowd and see how good it is, someone recommeneded it.

As for the vehicle it is as others have said not meant for us to use (like those multi-million nuyen luxury ships) at least not on a regular basis.

Mirrownis

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« Reply #8 on: <09-19-16/0540:21> »
Those (F)-rated vehicles can be used by normal runners if used properly. While it's illegal for civilians to own these, you surely wouldn't be stopped wearing Knight Errant uniform and sending a fake corporate ID covering your story. I'd even say going 100 mph inside a sprawl wouldn't alert anyone if done this way, since nobody would question an officer racing to an emergency site  ;)

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« Reply #9 on: <09-19-16/0642:46> »
If the system can be fooled to that extent, when does it do what it's supposed to do, and how do you adjudicate that in game terms?

Mirrownis

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« Reply #10 on: <09-19-16/0859:13> »
Iīd rule it like every other fake ID, where you use Forge Document to lay the groundwork and use Con to keep the disguise going. If you go to the extremes, get a fake Knight Errant corporate SIN and hire a decker (or ask your group decker politely) to edit a few files in the corporate host to get you on the employment list. From there on, Con and Fast Talk arenīt even really needed to convince your fellow officers that you are a SWAT unit on duty and not some runners dressed up as  police men. Itīd be a lot of work (and nuyen), but possible for a determined runner group.
The system is intended to work with the general public (roughly 98% of people in the shadowrun universe), since nobody would spend so many recources just to terrorize some poor wageslaves. For the other 2% at risk of being the target of a shadow operation, they usually have a private system at hand that canīt be exploited quite as easily (think Red Samurais or Zero Zones).

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« Reply #11 on: <09-19-16/1544:29> »
That reminds me I need to track down the IT crowd and see how good it is, someone recommeneded it.

Anything that blocks the signal will hamper the communication, of course unplugging it will also prevent communications it needs power
Just like in the old days you did not need to steel the whole computer just the hard drives, but now most HD's have security codes that link them to specific CUP's, motherboards and other equipment.
And of course why steel the computer if all you want is the info, just take the info if you can. And if you just do not want them to have the computer/info set the computer to destruct in such a way as to nullify the info.

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« Reply #12 on: <09-19-16/1609:55> »
Drive faster.

Novocrane

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« Reply #13 on: <09-19-16/1736:03> »
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Iīd rule it like every other fake ID, where you use Forge Document
... and then it fails, because Matrix forgeries don't work beyond looking nice?

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The system is intended to work with the general public (roughly 98% of people in the shadowrun universe)
I disagree that holds true for Forbidden Availability. Remember; there are no licenses to connect to a SIN (fake or not) for these items. If Ownership is set to an individual, they're illegal. If Ownership is set to a corporation, then they have the equivalent of 4 marks, can track location constantly, and you have to hack in.

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hire a decker (or ask your group decker politely) to edit a few files in the corporate host
... and the rigger to shoot down Zurich Orbital while they're at it. ::)

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Itīd be a lot of work (and nuyen), but possible for a determined runner group
Just doesn't strike me as accurate, given the information we have.

Mirrownis

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« Reply #14 on: <09-19-16/1941:23> »
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Iīd rule it like every other fake ID, where you use Forge Document
... and then it fails, because Matrix forgeries don't work beyond looking nice?
Iīm working with the german rulebook here, which (after translation) says unter the Forgery skill "to create usable forgeries of IDīs, credsticks, or licences, you also need the skill Hacking to place the relevant information on the matrix." I can see that this is contradicting to the original ruling, but canīt find an official record on what is correct, so Iīll stick to the newer prints.

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The system is intended to work with the general public (roughly 98% of people in the shadowrun universe)
I disagree that holds true for Forbidden Availability. Remember; there are no licenses to connect to a SIN (fake or not) for these items. If Ownership is set to an individual, they're illegal. If Ownership is set to a corporation, then they have the equivalent of 4 marks, can track location constantly, and you have to hack in.
Thatīs what the disguise and the whole "getting on the employment list" stuff is for, since you wouldnīt arrest an interpol agent for running around with a FN P93 Praetor. If you donīt rub the ownership in their face, they shouldnīt have any reason to check up on that (as long as your DM isnīt out to get you at every corner).

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hire a decker (or ask your group decker politely) to edit a few files in the corporate host
... and the rigger to shoot down Zurich Orbital while they're at it. ::)
Did I say it would be easy?  ;D
But since we donīt try to get ourself into the board of executives, stuff like this should basically be on par with a standart data steal job. If a capable decker can erase his team from all security cameras of the last hour and steal secret research papers, he should be able to put himself on the christmas list of some low(-ish) level staff manager.

 

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