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Molossian Dog IIC

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« on: <08-26-16/1503:26> »
Hi there,

after a hiatus of almost a decade  I am currently preparing a new Shadowrun campaign as a GM. I could use some help with the scenario I have in mind.

The campaign will start in 2068 in middle europe, but within the first few sessions the player characters will have to travel to Egypt. As a consequence I am looking for what canon info there is about Cairo.

Are there any canon sources that mention Egypt or Cairo beyond what you find in the Sixth World Almanac?

I am pretty sure that the region doesn´t have the coverage like the typical SR settings (Seattle, UCAS, Germany, Hong Kong), but if there is anything offical please point me in the right direction.
And even if there are no details to be found in sourcebooks, missions or novels I would be helpful for any hints, thoughts and ideas.


What I am looking for specifically is:

- Any info on the coptic pope and his decision to invite and protect technomancers. Real conviction/philantrophy or a shrewd trick to acquire a new power base?

- The Almanac refers to “traditional egyptian magic” several times. What exactly is that? Are we looking at a shamanistic tradition with its own canon of “totems” in form of the egyptian gods or something else entirely?

- As far as I know Egypt didn´t participate in any alliances that started the second round of the Eurowars, but faced an invasion itself. How did that work out and how could it resist annexation? Simple military might or some kind of political compromise?

- What is the deal with dragons not being able to enter Egypt? I know it is a hangover from Earthdawn, but I don´t remember the specifics.
- Somewhat unrelated: I remember a snippet about Lofwyr´s attack on Aden. When did that take place, what caused it and how did it work out?

- Which cons are active in Egypt? I guess when it comes to the big 10 probably all of them to a certain extent, but I would like to know which of them have the bigger market share, what noteworthy investments they made and what industrial installations they maintain.
- Also, which foreign AA-rated cons have a presence there and are there any cons of egyptian origin of note? (Like Global Sandstorms in the Caliphate)

- Is the regular police still in the hands of the state of handed over to a con like Knight Errant, Lone Star etc?

- I have a hard time to determine which of the international crime crime syndicates could play a major role in Egypt. From the usual suspects  in SR canon (TAriads, Vory, Yakuza, Mafia) none seems to stick out as a natural fit.

Any help would be appreciated.
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« Reply #1 on: <08-26-16/1706:14> »
Target: Awakened Lands, page 96
Target: Wastelands, pages 21-22, 33-36, 41-43
Dragons of the Sixth World, pages 56-57, 131
Sprawl Survival Guide, page 72
Loose Alliances, pages 82-83, 112-116
Emergence, page 114+116
Ghost Cartels, page 56
Feral Cities, page 72
Sixth World Almanac, pages 25, 64, 95, 97 106-107
Artifacts Unbound, pages 51-54
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Thanael

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« Reply #2 on: <08-26-16/1811:02> »
↑ Feral Cities p. 72 AFRICAN NATIONS UPDATE © Outpost Report
↑ 2.02.1Sprawl Survival Guide p.72
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From http://shadowrun.wikia.com/wiki/Egypt

Apparently Saeder Krupp has a presence there.

Here's a fan made Egyptian Tradition conversion from SR4.

Official SR5 rules for the Egyptian tradition is in the Shadow Spells pdf-only sourcebook.

About the dragon ban read this thread and this post

Here'sanother thread on Egypt on Dumpshock.

And last but certainly not least check out the world builder Wednesday: Shadows of Cairo reddit no really. This one is full of win.
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« Reply #3 on: <08-27-16/0607:39> »
If you are feeling particularly masochistic, the old novel Black Madonna has a large chunk set in Egypt.

Should you obtain a copy and manage to read it, please come back and explain the ending to me.  My brain melts down every time I try to make sense of it.
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« Reply #4 on: <08-27-16/0854:52> »
[..] From http://shadowrun.wikia.com/wiki/Egypt

I updated the article with an index.

If you are feeling particularly masochistic, the old novel Black Madonna has a large chunk set in Egypt.

No, the last part of Black Madonna takes place in Ahvaz in Iran, close to the Iraqi border. What you might be thinking of: Technobabel later falsely placed what was likely meant to be the same facility in northern Africa. Not sure it was explicitly Egypt though.

What exactly don't you understand about the ending of Black Madonna? The passion thing?

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« Reply #5 on: <08-27-16/0928:09> »
Lots of links I am going to check out. Thank you.

Also I just saw that my question about a dragon attacking Aden is utter nonsense.
The attack was undertaken -by- the dragon called Aden. And it occured in Teheran. Got that mixed up.

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« Reply #6 on: <08-27-16/1858:41> »
Any info on the coptic pope and his decision to invite and protect technomancers. Real conviction/philantrophy or a shrewd trick to acquire a new power base?
As far as I remember, the topic never received more attention than this, so this is left unanswered.

- The Almanac refers to “traditional egyptian magic” several times. What exactly is that? Are we looking at a shamanistic tradition with its own canon of “totems” in form of the egyptian gods or something else entirely?
It depends on the edition you are playing. I think first and second editions had none. Third edition's Magic in the Shadows introduces Egyptian Magic, page 25, with Heka magicians as "pantheistic shamans" (shamans with no totem, who receive a random bonus each lunar cycle). Fourth edition's Street Magic doesn't treat Egyptian magic as a distinct tradition, but does give page 184 suggestion for mentor spirit to use for several gods (if you ask me, hermeticism with optional mentor spirit seems the more consistent with actual Egyptian lore). Fifth edition has no rules that I know of.

As far as I know Egypt didn´t participate in any alliances that started the second round of the Eurowars, but faced an invasion itself. How did that work out and how could it resist annexation? Simple military might or some kind of political compromise?
It's complicated, because almost every single book that ever gave information about the second Eurowar happened to gave a different version.

The German sourcebook Deutschland in der Schatten, which originally introduced it, mentions Pakistan attacking India, Arabian peninsula attacking Egypt, Morroco attacking Algeria, Iran attacking Turkmenistan, Turkey attacking Greece and Bulgaria, and everyone attacking Israel.
The Germany Sourcebook, which supposedly was a translation of Deutschland in der Schatten, actually contains slightly altered material: it only mentions the Turkish attack on European countries. The German sourcebook Walzer, Punks und Schwarzes Ice also only refer to the Turkish attack.

Shadows of Europe, whose conception involved a number of people who took the original version for granted, reintroduced the multiple fronts. SoE was the first to mention an attack launched from Morocco into Spain. It also described a divide between muslim countries, between the Alliance of Allah that included Turkey, and a short-lived Federation of Islamic States including Morocco, Kuwait, Egypt, Jordan and others, with Morocco and Jordan leaving soon after their governments were overthrown. Shadows of Asia, which covers Middle East but not North Africa, this doesn't mention Egypt (or Morocco, for that matter).

Euro War Antiques was the first sourcebook to completely overturn Egypt role, mentioning Egypt as a recruitment and training ground for the Alliance for Allah, the launching of missiles from Egypt onto Israel, an attack by the Italian navy against Alexandria, and an unconfirmed attempt to intercept a British air raid in Morocco.


- Which cons are active in Egypt? I guess when it comes to the big 10 probably all of them to a certain extent, but I would like to know which of them have the bigger market share, what noteworthy investments they made and what industrial installations they maintain.
- Also, which foreign AA-rated cons have a presence there and are there any cons of egyptian origin of note? (Like Global Sandstorms in the Caliphate)
The only independant Egyptian corporation I know is the Apep Consortium, a A-rated multinational corporation focused on archeological-magical research with very shadowy backing - see Loose Alliances. Shadows of Asia says Arabian corporations Xenel-Oman and Ifrit Services are active in Egypt. Corporate Guide stays Neonet has the contract to run the Egyptian Matrix, and Horizon one to revamp their educational system.

The Frankfurter Bankverein used to have a subsidiary called United Nile Insurance Company.

- Is the regular police still in the hands of the state of handed over to a con like Knight Errant, Lone Star etc?
According to Shadows of Asia, Ifrit Services "boasts major policing contracts with sprawls in Egypt, ...".

I have a hard time to determine which of the international crime crime syndicates could play a major role in Egypt. From the usual suspects  in SR canon (TAriads, Vory, Yakuza, Mafia) none seems to stick out as a natural fit.
Shadows of Europe introduced the Al-Akhirah Aswad Mayid as a criminal organization active in Southern Spain and North Africa, primarily Morocco. It wasn't specified how far in the east they spread, but Ghost Cartels mentions AAAM members meeting with Olaya Cartel in Cairo.

The Knights of Rage used to be a street gang from London, created by persons of African descent, including Sudanese Nubians. Celedyr used them as a recruitment pool for operatives, and supported their development of criminal operations in Wales (with a now sizeable number of Welsh and Irish gang members), Egypt and Australia. Knights of Rage working as operatives for Celedyr were also sent to support the Nubian rebels against the Egyptian government in the 2060ies.

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« Reply #7 on: <08-27-16/2304:27> »
There will be something coming out soon with a bit of Egypt in it. Nothing big, but it may be good for a story hook...

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« Reply #8 on: <08-28-16/0657:35> »
[..] From http://shadowrun.wikia.com/wiki/Egypt

I updated the article with an index.

If you are feeling particularly masochistic, the old novel Black Madonna has a large chunk set in Egypt.

No, the last part of Black Madonna takes place in Ahvaz in Iran, close to the Iraqi border. What you might be thinking of: Technobabel later falsely placed what was likely meant to be the same facility in northern Africa. Not sure it was explicitly Egypt though.

What exactly don't you understand about the ending of Black Madonna? The passion thing?


My mistake.  Thanks for clearing that up.

I'm guessing the ending only really makes sense if you know Earthdawn.  I know it used to be linked with Shadowrun, but it never appealed to me and I'm one of the minority who's glad they are irrevocably separated now.
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« Reply #9 on: <08-28-16/0754:13> »
I'm one of the minority who's glad they are irrevocably separated now.

Well, if it had been a minority they wouldn't have ended (arguably dialled back) the crossover. ;)

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« Reply #10 on: <08-28-16/1007:27> »
I definitely wouldn't call it 'irrevocably separated,' Sterling.  There's hints and suggestions around, not to mention they are still far too intertwined to ever really be 'separate.'
Would you want to go into a place where the resident had a drum-fed shotgun and can see in the dark?

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« Reply #11 on: <08-28-16/1459:34> »
Fifth edition has no rules that I know of.

Shadow Spells has the 5e Egyptian tradition (as well as Norse, Psionic and Aborigine.) It's a  possession tradition with Drain stats Int+Wil. One of the spell-associated spirit types is Guidance.
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« Reply #12 on: <08-30-16/1549:58> »
I've created a summoning tradition for an Egyptian mage character I played here in a PbP, as historically Egyptians didn't have a possession tradition, like Voodoo has.  I just took one of the others (I'll have to look up which one), called it Egyptian (checked with the GM if it was okay of course), put gods on the spirits and I took Sun as mentor spirit (calling it Ra of course).
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