[firebug]

Fair point Quatar.  Is there a good way to get this to Patrick, so he can have it clarified in errata?  It's been a recurring issue for years, after all.

[Kiirnodel]

I posted a link to this thread over in the official errata announcement thread already. If there's a better place to put it, I'd say mention it. I know I'd love this to be officially clarified.

[Quatar]

Well personally, in my games, I handle these "need clarification" things usually like this "I'll allow it, up until the point when a player abuses it, then I ban it".

That way, I don't outright ban everything or use the harsher ruling, but when it gets silly I'll deal with it. In this case (as mentioned) I'd allow it to count to Magic rating for determining if it's stun or physical, but if a player manages to cheese their way to a high drain dicepool or something, and manages to constantly summon force 10-12 spirits without taking a lot of drain, then I'll pull the plug.

If they summon a Force 10 and take so much stun damage that they're effectively unconscious though? Have fun with it.

[adzling]

we haven't gotten to it yet but i've ALWAYS platyed it and seen it played as adding to dice pool.

If it actually increased your magic directly rating then there would be no need for QI foci for adepts as the power focus would be far better.
And as we know Adepts can't use a power focus to get more adept powers.

[Quatar]

Oh, hadn't actually considered that at all.

[Tarislar]

@Tarislar I can argue as well as the next guy and I think you arguments are VERY weak.

I'll stop you right there. You're trying to win this argument by examining what the sentence literally said and analyzing words? In a Catalyst book?

I'm sorry if I gave the impression I was trying to argue.
I have no interest in arguing this.
What I was trying to do was point out that this question has been asked about oh... 100 times before.
Apparently I didn't do that well.
The answer seems obvious to me. 
The only people trying to get it to increase magic rating are those trying to game the system, IMO

There are many other things out there that I'm actually more concerned with that are not so easily explained & don't have a clarification built right into their description.

Lets see....Just to think of a few of the top of my head.
How Magic Sense the Adept Power works.
How Magician's Way works.
How Magic Lodges work.
How the Guidance Spirit does their Divination thing.
How Natural Weapon works because it seems very weak compared to Elemental Attack.

But I think I've gone off on a tangent.