[Novocrane]

Or use a contact trigger alchemical preparation dropped into the vat.

[DeathofVirtue]

  If you have more than one awakend friend willing to help you could probably use ritual magic to bump those net hits although I have no idea how limit is calculated for sr5 spells I would wager the effect would be much more satisfactory.

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

Or just make it a sustained spell, don't resist it, and drop a spell lock on it.  Then have Mr. Painted-Face drop by in a week to take it off.

[Dwagonzhan]

If you have more than one awakend friend willing to help you could probably use ritual magic to bump those net hits although I have no idea how limit is calculated for sr5 spells I would wager the effect would be much more satisfactory.

The Limit is the Force of the spell.

[DeathofVirtue]

Cheers dwagon that seems off though, by that logic there are few benefits to using ritual sorcery compared to a standard cast,  you would think ritual magic would bump up the limit seeing as it bumps up the dice pool for the spell.

That's a good point wyrm.  A sustaining focus could also work well.  I would say thats probably the most viable option, good call.

[Dwagonzhan]

Cheers dwagon that seems off though, by that logic there are few benefits to using ritual sorcery compared to a standard cast,  you would think ritual magic would bump up the limit seeing as it bumps up the dice pool for the spell.

Ritual Drain is the leader's Ritual Spellcasting + Magic [Force] VS [Force x 2]
However, the Leader's result is bolstered by a Teamwork Test from each of the participants.

So the more participants you have, the higher the Force you can safely attempt (MUCH BETTER potential than straight spellcasting).
Just need to ensure everyone is able to stay for the last half of the ritual (steps 4 though 7, according to the SR5 CRB)

[RowanTheFox]

Or just make it a sustained spell, don't resist it, and drop a spell lock on it.  Then have Mr. Painted-Face drop by in a week to take it off.

Sure, if anyone actually knows where to find him, or even how to get a hold of him. Alas, no one does.

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

Once again, thinkin' outside the box. 

[DeathofVirtue]

Cheers dwagon as stated im mainly 3e (Old old group and we dont like the clusterduck later editions make in some areas of the rules) so I wasnt sure how 5e ritual compared.

I'm slowly fleshing it out with 5e stuff but lots of house rules and stat tweaks are necessary to make everything compatible.

So yeah ritual magic could work if a sustaining focus or mr painted-face aren't possible.

[Dwagonzhan]

Cheers dwagon as stated im mainly 3e (Old old group and we dont like the clusterduck later editions make in some areas of the rules) so I wasnt sure how 5e ritual compared.

I'm slowly fleshing it out with 5e stuff but lots of house rules and stat tweaks are necessary to make everything compatible.

Aye. The vast majority of my Shadowrun experience was in 2nd and 3rd edition as well; I only recently started running 5th Edition this year (only a few months ago, back in July).
It's been a learning experience figuring the system out.

So yeah ritual magic could work if a sustaining focus or mr painted-face aren't possible.

Sustaining Foci would be far cheaper than ritual sorcery. Though given who is receiving the procedure here, cost is kind of a moot point anyway.

[RowanTheFox]

So yeah ritual magic could work if a sustaining focus or mr painted-face aren't possible.

Sustaining Foci would be far cheaper than ritual sorcery. Though given who is receiving the procedure here, cost is kind of a moot point anyway.

It's good to be the queen. 

[DeathofVirtue]

Haha very true but as I said, I was just tagging it as a viable alternative should the other methods prove problematic.  Is it the best option?  No.  Is it potentially viable? Yes.

I cant blame you, although i preffer the simplicity of 3e it's harsh not having an updating gear/stat etc list.  Especially as most roll 20 games are 5e these days.

[RowanTheFox]

Haha very true but as I said, I was just tagging it as a viable alternative should the other methods prove problematic.  Is it the best option?  No.  Is it potentially viable? Yes.

I cant blame you, although i preffer the simplicity of 3e it's harsh not having an updating gear/stat etc list.  Especially as most roll 20 games are 5e these days.

I might just handwave it as a thing that was done, but no one is sure how because she wants to keep it a secret (lest her enemies find a weakness they can exploit). If someone can contact the almighty jester and tell him what's going on, he might have a few 4th world tricks up his sleeve that could remove the need for the procedure entirely. That's a big "if" though.

[DeathofVirtue]

That could work, at the end of the day though we have demonstrated that you do have options.  You could simply state the procedure was done and that for fear of leaving a written record of how you will omit the method and encourage the reader to draw their own conclusions.

  After all it's a foolish immortal who leaves a written record of their weaknesses considering how easy it is for information to proliferate over time.

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

... to be honest, considering that it doesn't functionally do anything - your maximum is still down, and any Initiation is going to increase your maximum anyhow - my question here would be 'why bother'?  Unless it's that 'gap-in-the-tooth' feeling that she reeeeeaally wants to stop having.