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LukeZ

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« on: <08-31-19/1054:29> »
Sorcerer can spend Karma to learn spells/rituals formulas
Enchanters can spend Karma to learn preparation formulas
Summoners can spend Karma for something specific?

Xenon

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« Reply #1 on: <08-31-19/1104:41> »
Ally spirits.
But also Long time binding, fettering and feeding free spirits.

LukeZ

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« Reply #2 on: <08-31-19/1134:44> »
Ally spirits.
But also Long time binding, fettering and feeding free spirits.

In SR 6 too?

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« Reply #3 on: <08-31-19/1135:25> »
Ally spirits.
But also Long time binding, fettering and feeding free spirits.

All of which were possible in 5th edition, but are not (yet) included in 6th world edition.  My guess is they probably will be though, when this edition's rendition of the Street Grimoire is published.
RPG mechanics exist to give structure and consistency to the game world, true, but at the end of the day, you’re fighting dragons with algebra and random number generators.

Xenon

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« Reply #4 on: <08-31-19/1538:46> »
In SR 6 too?
You were not very specific in your original question ;-)

During chargen in SR6 you only have free spells, rituals or power points (depending on how you use magic) and you can only spend customization karma on qualities, skill advancement, attribute advancement and nuyen.

For SR6 there are not many summoning specific options (yet). If you don't plan on casting any spells, using any powers or doing any preparations then you might as well start with a low Magic or Resonance priority and instead raise your magic rating with adjustment points from Metatype prioritization. I would advance against an aspected conjurer, as a summoner you will almost always be better off as a full magician (which give you astral projection and perception but no power points) or mystic adept (which give you access to power points and ability to pay for astral perception, but no astral projection).

You can buy spirit foci but it doesn't seem as if you may spend karma on binding them until post chargen. They will act as positive dice pool modifiers of force rating to your conjuring skill when summoning spirits (note that skills in 6th edition are limited to a bonus of +4 so no need to get stronger spirit foci than that, but you use different foci depending on spirit type). They cost force x 2 karma to bind.

You can also buy a banishing focus that you may spend post chargen karma to bind. In this case you gain a free edge when banishing a spirit but only if the banishing focus have a force equal or higher than the spirit you attempt to banish. It cost force x 2 karma to bind.

The maximum number of foci you can have is limited to your (adjusted) magic rating.

The total number of force of all your combined bound foci is limited to your (adjusted) magic rating x 5.

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« Reply #5 on: <08-31-19/1541:42> »
Personally I consider spending karma for binding foci part of the chargen purchase so allowed.
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Xenon

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« Reply #6 on: <08-31-19/1613:03> »
Personally I consider spending karma for binding foci part of the chargen purchase so allowed.
Interesting....

Note for other readers; Binding foci is currently not listed as one of the four things you are allowed to spend your customization karma on:

SR6 p. 66 Customization Karma
The points are spent on skill or attribute advancement, as well as additional  funds to get those last gear pieces you might have missed or an additional quality (though the limit of six qualities still applies).


And if being allowed to bind foci with customization karma then you also indirectly let adepts (both physical and mystical) "buy" power points for a cost of 8 customization karma per point during chargen, up to a maximum of adjusted magic x 1.25 extra power points or a theoretical total maximum between 8.5 power points (with Magic or Resonance D, 5 adjustment points into magic and 60 customization karma) and 11.5 power points (with Magic or Resonance A, 2 adjustment points and 60 customization karma).

Depending on your reading that might also open up the possibility to buy spells, rituals, preparations or complex forms for customization karma (which are found on the Character Advancement Table on p. 68 of the character creation chapter).

...and once you open up items on the Character Advancement Table on p. 68 of the character creation there is really nothing that explicitly prevent you from spending customization karma to initiate or submerge (which are also found on the Character Advancement Table on p. 68 of the character creation chapter).
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« Reply #7 on: <08-31-19/1616:31> »
When you buy gear, I'd consider binding the gear part of the purchase. That's not the same as buying power points (which isn't even possible anymore after errata?_?), spell formulae (which involve a test and time to actually learn) or complex forms (again, takes time). Mind you, it needs clarification, but they seem different enough that I don't see why a GM can't allow one without allowing the others.
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« Reply #8 on: <08-31-19/1618:51> »
(I am talking about buying and binding Qi Focus which indirectly give you access to power points)

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« Reply #9 on: <08-31-19/1639:14> »
Eh, not that worried about Qi Foci. In fact, they're the only ways Mystics can get anything useful.
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« Reply #10 on: <08-31-19/1748:03> »
When you buy gear, I'd consider binding the gear part of the purchase. That's not the same as buying power points (which isn't even possible anymore after errata?_?), spell formulae (which involve a test and time to actually learn) or complex forms (again, takes time). Mind you, it needs clarification, but they seem different enough that I don't see why a GM can't allow one without allowing the others.
What is this about errata preventing power point buy?

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« Reply #11 on: <09-01-19/0302:37> »
p. 158, Mystic Adepts
Delete paragraph 3 of this section.

Which is the section about buying Power Points for Karma for Mystics.
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