[penllawen]

This is the Rules section of the forum. People come here to ask legit rules related questions and they expect to get accurate answers.

The section description says "Need a question on rules answered? Want to discuss interpretations and quirks? Come here!" (emphasis mine.) To my mind, where the rules-as-written are ambiguous and/or seem to have editing errors, and an objectively "accurate" answer is therefore difficult or impossible, then discussing what might be the rules-as-intended and/or possible houserules is perfectly cromulent.

And for this specific case -- it's very clear that rules-as-written for adept power points at chargen are screwed up, the errata team have confirmed they are being worked over. We don't know when we might see this errata. In the mean time, what's the harm in allowing people to discuss how to patch over the cracks in the system for their table?

[Gareth]

the errata team have confirmed they are being worked over

That's a bit harsh

[penllawen]

the errata team have confirmed they are being worked over

That's a bit harsh

Hah! That wasn't intentional, but now I have a vision of the errata team as a group of rogue cops taking some of the more dubious aspects of the CRB out the back for a "quiet talking to" and bringing them back in covered in bruises... "I swear, Mr Hardy, the Anticipate Edge action fell down some stairs. Nothing we could do. Firing SA guns in SS mode? Nah, it looked like that when we brought it in. Must have been in a scuffle earlier this evening."

[FastJack]

DTRPG is issuing refunds...

How do you come by this information? Are you working for DTRPG? Have an inside contact? Or is this Reddit "information"?

[Finstersang]

the errata team have confirmed they are being worked over

That's a bit harsh

Hah! That wasn't intentional, but now I have a vision of the errata team as a group of rogue cops taking some of the more dubious aspects of the CRB out the back for a "quiet talking to" and bringing them back in covered in bruises... "I swear, Mr Hardy, the Anticipate Edge action fell down some stairs. Nothing we could do. Firing SA guns in SS mode? Nah, it looked like that when we brought it in. Must have been in a scuffle earlier this evening."

*Wipes blood of the baton*

"Well, turns out that Strength does play a role when using a melee weapon. Fella just needed a little demonstration  "

[Shinobi Killfist]

As the table stands any build is best suited by magic D and using adjustment points to raise magic.
The karma value of 6 spells (the difference in spells from pri A to pri D) is way less than the value of the extra attribute points you get (freeing an A slot for attributes or skills is +8 points for either and each of those points is worth a lot more than 5 karma). I would make that trade anytime even if I can't buy extra spells at character creation.

Adepts are the only magic archetype that gets actively harmed by spending adjustment point in magic.

Basically the priority table doesn't make you pay for access to magic. It just makes you pay through the nose for spells / power points which you can get in game for much less karma (kind of the same way you are not made to pay for all those qualities you get as a troll/ork/dwarf/elf, just pay over going rate for extra attribute points)

Yup. Adept I can see why someone might go magic B i doubt A due to attributes A, right race etc maybe. But mages. Outside one shots I’d never take higher than D. Oh no I have to live with 2 spells for a run. But one attribute moving from 4 to 5 is the same cost as 4 of the 6 lost spells and since I’m shifting multiple Collins up one I got 8 attributes and 4+ skills out of it, heck ill buy the formulas at char gen to make it easier.

Hopefully the karma gen book comes out soon.

[PatrolDeer]

Correct me if I am wrong gentlemen. But as far as I am reading the text correctly at page 66, ALL characters with Magic attribute have their spell selection based on the Priority table, before Special Attribute Points, Karma, etc.
Page 156 says that whenever adept character gains a point of magic, they gain a power point and that characters can hold on to them and use them when ready.

So in my mind, Adept gets his priority based powers and starts a game with a couple of power points ready to spend thanks to Special Attribute Point. Learning a spell (I assume is the same as Adept power) costs 5 karma, takes approx a week and costs some ¥NuYen.

Drek! I was just given something to pursue in the Shadowrun world. I might have to adjust my initial or acquire new Contacts, so I can learn and progress. It feels very much alive and natural, especially for an adept, which I imagine keeps methodical training regimes.

No plan survives first contact with the enemy, so the game design might just gave me a favour, because if my GM puts me into a setting my "OP build" didn't account for, I am flexible.
Be water my friend

[Xenon]

ALL characters with Magic attribute have their spell selection based on the Priority table, before Special Attribute Points, Karma, etc.

This is my reading as well.
This would be a chargen specific rule that override the general rule found later on p. 156

Page 156 says that whenever adept character gains a point of magic, they gain a power point and that characters can hold on to them and use them when ready.

As I read it this only apply after chargen.
During chargen you only get power points based on the unadjusted magic from Magic or Resonance priority.

A character that pick priority A (and don't spend any adjustment points or karma on magic and also don't get any augmentations) will leave chargen with both 4 magic and 4 power points.

A character that pick priority A but also spend 2 adjustment points on magic will leave chargen with 6 magic but still only 4 power points.

I assume is the same as Adept power

As far as I can tell, learning an adept power does not cost anything
(as long as you already have the power points to spare that is).

[Stainless Steel Devil Rat]

It's certainly a reasonable enough house rule to ignore the rule on pg 66 about Adepts' Power Points and just let them gain PPs with MAG increases.

I'd think at least thrice however before extending that same rule to MysAds. They really don't need that help.

[Michael Chandra]

Note that under current raw you're not allowed to buy and learn extra spells in chargen.

[Shinobi Killfist]

Note that under current raw you're not allowed to buy and learn extra spells in chargen.

You can but then though. And potentially save the karma to learn them quickly depending on if and how much karma you can save. And if you can’t save karma you can still but the formulas and learn them quickly over the next few runs. Each run will probably get you 1 learned spell. It would take 5 runs to bump a 4 stat up to 5.

It’s a annoying hoop to jump through to be sure but the math is solidly on going D for full mages outside of one shots etc.

[mortonstromgal]

DTRPG is issuing refunds...

How do you come by this information? Are you working for DTRPG? Have an inside contact? Or is this Reddit "information"?

If you buy enough product regularly DriveThru always issues refunds, you just have to say "I dont like this". Then it vanishes from your library. Of course it needs to be within a couple days of purchase. The haters are acting like this is a new thing. Think of it this way if Im a business and I say buy $50 in pdfs a month and after a year I want to return a $25 one, which is better for them? Take a hit or just say sure and give you a refund and kill the link. Id think anyone who bought all of 5e has enough $$$ in drivethru that if you dont like 6e they will give you a refund.

[Marcus]

DTRPG is issuing refunds...

How do you come by this information? Are you working for DTRPG? Have an inside contact? Or is this Reddit "information"?

If you buy enough product regularly DriveThru always issues refunds, you just have to say "I dont like this". Then it vanishes from your library. Of course it needs to be within a couple days of purchase. The haters are acting like this is a new thing. Think of it this way if Im a business and I say buy $50 in pdfs a month and after a year I want to return a $25 one, which is better for them? Take a hit or just say sure and give you a refund and kill the link. Id think anyone who bought all of 5e has enough $$$ in drivethru that if you dont like 6e they will give you a refund.

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To the first personal acquaintance. As too the second I have been a DTRPG customer sense just after launch and my library on there is fair sized (a little less then 400 titles), I have never returned a single book, including when books I had purchased become unavailable due changes in their publishers distribution policies.  I believe have sense gotten most of those books back, but I was never issues a refund and I did exchange emails with them on that subject.

[FastJack]

DTRPG is issuing refunds...

How do you come by this information? Are you working for DTRPG? Have an inside contact? Or is this Reddit "information"?

If you buy enough product regularly DriveThru always issues refunds, you just have to say "I dont like this". Then it vanishes from your library. Of course it needs to be within a couple days of purchase. The haters are acting like this is a new thing. Think of it this way if Im a business and I say buy $50 in pdfs a month and after a year I want to return a $25 one, which is better for them? Take a hit or just say sure and give you a refund and kill the link. Id think anyone who bought all of 5e has enough $$$ in drivethru that if you dont like 6e they will give you a refund.

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To the first personal acquaintance. As too the second I have been a DTRPG customer sense just after launch and my library on there is fair sized (a little less then 400 titles), I have never returned a single book, including when books I had purchased become unavailable due changes in their publishers distribution policies.  I believe have sense gotten most of those books back, but I was never issues a refund and I did exchange emails with them on that subject.

Interesting, I've never needed to get a refund on the 500+ titles in my library either.

[skalchemist]

Correct me if I am wrong gentlemen. But as far as I am reading the text correctly at page 66, ALL characters with Magic attribute have their spell selection based on the Priority table, before Special Attribute Points, Karma, etc.
Page 156 says that whenever adept character gains a point of magic, they gain a power point and that characters can hold on to them and use them when ready.

So in my mind, Adept gets his priority based powers and starts a game with a couple of power points ready to spend thanks to Special Attribute Point. Learning a spell (I assume is the same as Adept power) costs 5 karma, takes approx a week and costs some ¥NuYen.

That is a very interesting take on this, PatrolDeer.  That had not occurred to me as a possible way to interpret the discrepancy.  It would still mean that the Adept Archetype character is wrong; they should only have 4 points of powers not 5.5, assuming the archetypes are intended to be newly created characters.  But it would allow Adepts to get the full value of their character generation Magic Rating in the fullness of time with I what I think is a the minimal alteration of the current rules.   

I honestly don't think this is what was intended by the designers. I think they just created the archetype under an earlier set of rules, changed the rules to put a cap on how many points/spells/whatever you could get during char gen to make Magic Priority selection a more weighty decision, but then forgot to go back and correct the archetype to account for this.  But I like your interpretation as a practical way to address it until errata appear.

Also, I agree with what others have said; if it really is the case that by increasing your Magic Rating at character generation you are permanently reducing the number of power points your character will ever earn, there needs to be a warning or other statement in the rules to this effect.