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Smythe1970

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« on: <10-06-19/1909:41> »
Quick and direct question: Starting Adepts in SR Sixth World who take Magic as Priority A only get 4 Power Points?

Can this be raised to 6 Power Points with the Metatype Adjustment Points?

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« Reply #1 on: <10-06-19/1913:20> »
Quick and direct question: Starting Adepts in SR Sixth World who take Magic as Priority A only get 4 Power Points?

Can this be raised to 6 Power Points with the Metatype Adjustment Points?

Quick and direct answer:

p.65 SR 6th Core Rules
Magic/Resonance
[...]Adepts have a pool of points equal to their Magic (as listed in the Priority table, before any adjustments) that they use to purchase adept powers.[...]

So Adjustment Points and Karma are Adjustments. :) and whether you can take Karma with you into the Game and then just raise Magic instantly was already debated hot. Going by RAW just push Magic to 6 and burn the 2 "dead" points into Bioware/Cyberware. (ugly but then no houserules involved)

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« Reply #2 on: <10-07-19/0438:58> »
Essentially, there's a clear contradiction between the chargen chapter and the magic chapter, which says a gain in Magic always means a gain in Power Points. There's also the problem there are no rules about losing Power Points when you lose Magic, and it's unclear if this is unintentional. So it's incredibly wonky right now, and I can't make any balance statements until we get some proper errata out.

I understand the restrictions they made, since it makes Magic a really important priority choice even though the benefits are small karma-wise (and thus inferior to other priorities), but with Adepts I think it's problematic because of the ability to gain Magic through APs which by chargen chapter would leave you with a permanent gap. Honestly for Adepts I think the rule should simply be 'not allowed to raise magic with adjustment points' if they want to restrict initial Power Points.

Right now, discuss with your GM. I advocate one of 2 options:
1: Not allowed to raise magic in chargen at all as Adept
2: PP == Magic + PP-Initiations, always
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« Reply #3 on: <10-07-19/0810:28> »
I swear what happened here is that someone thought of a way to make the Magic or Resonance column on the Priority Table need less words to cover everything it needed to say - Magic listed on the table x 2 spells or complex forms saves space over having to specify 8 at priority A and so on down the line like was done on a prior priority table - and accidentally took it too far by applying it to power points as well, which unlike spells/complex forms are otherwise directly related to the rating in question.

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« Reply #4 on: <10-07-19/0816:43> »
I think it's more of a case where the priority pick for magic is supposed to be important.  If everything scaled with Magic increases, then all you'd ever need to put into magic is D. (unless of course you're going E: Mundane...)

It wasn't an oversight that Adepts got denied extra power points with increases to MAG beyond the priority pick, since that was very deliberately stated to be the case.  It WAS probably an oversight though that you don't LOSE power points when your magic goes DOWN though due to cyber/bio ware implantation...

I agree with Michael Chandra.  I'd either strike the rule forbidding extra PPs for Adepts (and Adepts only- Mystic Adepts don't need the boost), or just ensure no players actually invest in an Adept's MAG attribute beyond the Magic pick until after chargen.
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« Reply #5 on: <10-07-19/1439:18> »
Essentially, there's a clear contradiction between the chargen chapter and the magic chapter, which says a gain in Magic always means a gain in Power Points. There's also the problem there are no rules about losing Power Points when you lose Magic, and it's unclear if this is unintentional. So it's incredibly wonky right now, and I can't make any balance statements until we get some proper errata out.
Also complicated by the fact that the Adept archetype seems to violate the "only get power points in character creation from Magic Priority pick Magic attribute" rule, as it has 5.5 power points worth of powers.

One alternate set of house rules (pending official errata/clarifications) could be as follows:

* specify a "training time" for learning new powers (powers are not currently listed in the Advancement Table on page 68, which either means you learn them immediately when you gain a Power Point in some fashion, or this was an oversight/mistake).  For example, learning a power could take 1 month * power point cost.

* allow players to earn power points for increasing their magic rating during character creation, but not spend them.  This is technically legal based on the rule on page 156 which says you can hold power points.

After play starts, the player can spend those additional power points by taking the appropriate training time. This is a kludgy way to try to honor both of the rules sections Michael mentions.  I'm not saying its a great way to do it.

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« Reply #6 on: <10-08-19/0058:00> »
Awakening Power Points after chargen is also an option I'm considering, but it's too far into houserule territory for me to suggest to players. To GMs, sure.
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« Reply #7 on: <10-08-19/0428:38> »
For what it's worth, the german rules will include an errata, that a physical adept who uses customization karma to increase his magic attribute, will get the power points matching the magic attribute.
Mystical adepts on the other hand won't get the option to buy additional power points on character creation.

I don't know if this is in accordance to the errata for the original version (usually Pegasus checks with CGL for errata) or a german house rule.

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« Reply #8 on: <10-08-19/0523:47> »
Sounds like a houserule. I caught a few cases in SR5 where Pegasus errata were wrong (and I HATE what they did for Parageology in SR5!). Mind you, I don't know what adept errata will be for SR6.
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« Reply #9 on: <10-09-19/0928:37> »
Awakening Power Points after chargen is also an option I'm considering, but it's too far into houserule territory for me to suggest to players. To GMs, sure.

If you had for example:
Meta: C > 9 Adjustment Points > 6 MAGIC
Att: A
Skill: B
Mag: D > 1 Power Point
Resources: E

So after creation you do like 5 runs ( à 5 Karma ) and buy Power Points from it?

Is this how it works correctly, following the CRB?

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« Reply #10 on: <10-09-19/0949:34> »
Buying PP was for Mystic Adepts and got removed by errata. As to how to houserule awakening, I'm not sure what would be fairly balanced. 5 karma seems relatively fair, though 10 might be better. (You're saving a lot of Karma with that C vs D.)
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« Reply #11 on: <10-09-19/1009:40> »
oh, i see!

so as (mystic) adept you only get more PP by putting higher priority in Magic or Initiation later on?
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« Reply #12 on: <10-09-19/1026:53> »
oh, i see!

so as (mystic) adept you only get more PP by putting higher priority in Magic or Initiation later on?

Yes, but also from Qi Foci, as well.
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« Reply #13 on: <10-09-19/1045:26> »
And of course we have to see if p.156 CRB stays "Whenever adept characters gain a point of Magic, they also gain a power point."

But as I interpret it this is exclusively for Adepts, not Mystic Adepts.

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« Reply #14 on: <10-11-19/0440:28> »
Yeah in that line lies the rub. It contradicts chargen. And they deliberately nerfed chargen to encourage higher priorities in Magic in chargen, so it probably overrides somehow. But I have no idea what way errata will fall, which is why I am VERY silent when it comes to adepts. =/
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