[Michael Chandra]

Incidentally, of all karma-expenses not listed, I personally think Bonding Foci should be listed. But we'll see once errata/faq come out.

[Trim2060]

Incidentally, of all karma-expenses not listed, I personally think Bonding Foci should be listed. But we'll see once errata/faq come out.

I second that!

[Xenon]

As written you can only get power points (and spells) from your unadjusted magic rating during character generation. I think this is intended. The text is pretty explicit on the matter.


After character generation magicians (and mystic adepts) can get more spells by spending time, resources and karma.

After character generation mystic adepts and adepts can get more power points by initiation and selecting power point as their metamagic (both mystic adept and adept), binding qi focus (both mystic adept and adept) as well as raising magic rating (not mystic adept, only adept).

[peterjk3]

I would like to point out also that the adept archetype they have in the book has a magic of 6 and has spent 5.5 in adept powers.  I believe the text on the pg. 66 seems to be the "odd man out."  They have done errata to the adept archetype as well, changing the stats around since it had to max stats.  Not to say that they could not errata it again.

[Hobbes]

Unfortunately many of the pre-gens in the CRB have errors. 

Adept PP was changed in the recent Core Book .pdf 2nd printing, it works similar to earlier editions.  Adepts get PP equal to Magic.  Benefit points, Karma, Essence Loss to Augmentation or whatever, if it changes your Magic, PP changes.

[Aria]

I thought only magic loss had made it in to the errata?? And karma magic gain adding points in the German errata...?

[Hobbes]

AFB but I recall the char gen passage being "...Adepts get PP equal to Magic." or something to that effect.  p.  68?  67?  Something.  I'll triple check when I get home if nobody comes along to correct me.

It made Priority D for Adepts "optimal" so I started tinkering with builds based on that already.

[FastJack]

The key measurements of power in adepts are their power points. These points are used by adept characters to buy the powers that will enhance their abilities. Whenever adept characters gain or lose a point of Magic, they also gain or lose a power point. This means that an adept character who starts with a Magic rating of 4 also starts with 4 power points. Power points do not need to be spent when they are obtained; characters can hold on to them and use them when ready.

[FastJack]

AFB but I recall the char gen passage being "...Adepts get PP equal to Magic." or something to that effect.  p.  68?  67?  Something.  I'll triple check when I get home if nobody comes along to correct me.

It made Priority D for Adepts "optimal" so I started tinkering with builds based on that already.

The Priority D is optimal, I built Mercedes (From Here) through Hero Lab Online and it actually came out with a lot more than the original build. On a side note, the HRO system has a bug that the Power Points = Magic Rating hasn't been updated yet, so the build is technically listed as illegal, until they update the rules set.

[Aria]

Ah... but mysads still seem to be (intentionally) limited to their priority choice in magic points for adept powers...

p66 2nd printing "They must split their
Magic between spells and adept powers. They first
purchase adept powers up to a maximum of their
Magic attribute then multiply the remaining Magic
by 2 to determine their starting number of spell
choices. This uses the Magic value in the Priority
table, not as adjusted with Karma or adjustment
points (but it is reduced by Essence loss)."

So, do they gain an adept point when they subsequently gain a magic point?  I'd say not but probably needs more careful reading... max adept points of 4 at char gen for a mysad (plus subsequent initiations dedicated to PP) is a reasonable balance I'd say!

[Hobbes]

Mysad do not gain a PP unless they take the appropriate initiation post char-gen.  You've got the char-gen rules quoted, and yes they are more restrictive.  So there is more of an opportunity cost for Mysads now.

[Stainless Steel Devil Rat]

Mysads have enough nice things.  They don't need to be able to get everything AND still avoid investing in Magic priority, to boot.

[Aria]

I agree whole heartedly!!!  Mysads don't need any more boosts... just wanted to check that adepts can now legitimately spend adjustment points on magic/PP and it seems they can so that's a win (although I'm slightly sad that we'll be seeing almost all adepts back at magic 6 out of the gate, some variety would have been nice  )

[Stainless Steel Devil Rat]

I agree whole heartedly!!!  Mysads don't need any more boosts... just wanted to check that adepts can now legitimately spend adjustment points on magic/PP and it seems they can so that's a win (although I'm slightly sad that we'll be seeing almost all adepts back at magic 6 out of the gate, some variety would have been nice  )

Yeah, with the way adept powers are priced in 6we 4 PPs is actually quite viable. But now not only will every adept have 6 Magic, every adept will now have 2 of the 5 priorities locked in with no variety: Magic D, Attributes A.

[Hobbes]

I agree whole heartedly!!!  Mysads don't need any more boosts... just wanted to check that adepts can now legitimately spend adjustment points on magic/PP and it seems they can so that's a win (although I'm slightly sad that we'll be seeing almost all adepts back at magic 6 out of the gate, some variety would have been nice  )

Yeah, with the way adept powers are priced in 6we 4 PPs is actually quite viable. But now not only will every adept have 6 Magic, every adept will now have 2 of the 5 priorities locked in with no variety: Magic D, Attributes A.

Metatype will be B frequently.  C Skills, E Resources.  Burn-outs will juggle that around.  Social Adepts may want Skills B, but the Combat sorts will want the Edge and Magic. 

E skills is honestly quite manageable in 6E with the changes to Skills.