[Cantor]

I'm a first time poster here, so be easy on me.

I've been kicking around a Shadowrun campaign based on Dunkelzahn's will for some time now, and I noticed the entry about the dragon bones, and the associated latitude and longitude co-ordinates. I traced a couple of the co-ordinates and they're both in China, then I got distracted by something else. I was wondering if anything has been printed about China in the Shadowrun setting. If there is nothing, what is your best guess as to what should be expected over there?

[FastJack]

Hmm... Intriguing.

I never caught that until now, but you may have stumbled onto a possible discrepancy. Ancient History, if you're out there, I noticed that in your Annotated Dunkelzahn's Will, you list those two locations as being offshore of Seattle and somewhere in the Algonkian-Manitou Council; but these two references don't bear the N/W designation as the other do, which may imply they are in the China/Russia geography instead, if the longitude is E instead of W (or in the deep ocean, if the latitude is S instead).

Anyone in the Home Office have confirmation if they should be West coordinates instead of East?

[Ancient History]

It's been argued different ways, but the popular consensus is the bone sites should all be on roughly the same continent, i.e. in and around North America.

[Fortinbras]

To more accurately answer your question, Shadows of Asia and Sixth World Almanac give some good info on running in Cathay. If your run will focus on dragons, I might suggest looking up info on Lung in Dragon's of the Sixth World.
Runner Havens has some neat stuff on Hong Kong, Cyberpirates! on the Philippines and another great dragon, your Portfolio should have some neat stuff around page 76 and Underworld Sourcebook & Vicehave some neat stuff on the Triads.

The key thing to remember is that the concept of "China" as a single entity no longer exists. It has been broken, fractured and Balkanized along with the rest of the 6th world.

[Frostriese]

Well, as a concept China very much still exists, the same way Germany existed even when disunited before 1870. It's just been balkanised to hell and back.

I wonder though, did anything important happen there after the Crash 2.0? I mean, apart from Hong Kong apparently becoming the city for Shadowrunning after Seattle, heh.

[The_Gun_Nut]

And Kowloon becoming the festive part of it.

[CanRay]

The concept of "America" is still around, even if Canada joined in with the USA, and the South Rose Again...   

[Fortinbras]

The concept of "America" is still around, even if Canada joined in with the USA, and the South Rose Again...   

Really? I thought Colloton nipped those New Revolution buggers in the bud.

[Frostriese]

The concept of "America" is still around, even if Canada joined in with the USA, and the South Rose Again...   

Really? I thought Colloton nipped those New Revolution buggers in the bud.

And yet the concept's still around. Or do you think there are no ideological NR sympathisers out there anymore, if in thought only? That's already a concept, even if it is pure thought. Or the shift from a "Confederate" to an "American" self-identification in the CAS in the early 60s. Always found that to be very odd (must've been a southerner himself who wrote the CAS entry in SoA), but it happened...

[CanRay]

From my understanding (Which may be incorrect, outsider looking in type thing), even historically, the South never saw themselves as separating from the idea of "American", just from the North.

Coming from Northern Ontario, I can understand that kind of mentality.  To most loyal Separatist Party in Canada is in Northern Ontario!

[The_Gun_Nut]

That's pretty much it, CanRay.  There is, of course, a lot more to it than that.  But let's not start any flames over a very old subject.

[CanRay]

OK, but I am going to be over here doing my "Happy Dance" because I got something right for once.

[Frostriese]

From my understanding (Which may be incorrect, outsider looking in type thing), even historically, the South never saw themselves as separating from the idea of "American", just from the North.

Sure, in the 1860s. (And yes, let's not talk about... that period).

But the original conception of North America in SR as I understand it, had the USA not only splinter into several countries, but several identities, with "Americanadian" and "Confederate" being the most direct successors to "American". To add to the dystopia (from the point of view of a modern US reader), not only the USA but the American identity itself had vanished, more or less. SoA changed that (and I might even say retconned that) by having the CAS' identity be not "Confederate" anymore but indeed "American". The UCAS of course had always been kinda American, it being structurally and constitutionally a carbon copy of the USA...

[CanRay]

Canada got top billing, and that's about it.  Other than that, it got axed to bits!

[Loki]

The concept of "America" is still around, even if Canada joined in with the USA, and the South Rose Again...   

Really? I thought Colloton nipped those New Revolution buggers in the bud.

Then why did Coloton's people kill Haefner and blame it on the NR? I think because she knew they moved to fast and would lose it all. This way she stops a nefarious plot, gains political capitol and can continue the slow turning of the people to the NR's agenda.