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Crater Lake in Tir Tairngire? What's the story on that place?

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The Laughing Man

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« on: <03-24-11/1215:11> »
So I've been doing some reading on Tir Tairngire and Crater Lake keeps coming up.

In 2054 a self-proclaimed "magical historian" declared that the volcanic eruption that caused the crater happened in  July 22, 3454 BC.
And then a few weeks later Tir officials rushed to close the lake and surrounding area.
And I've also read that strange geometric constructs have been seen there as well. Can't remember where though.

As my players are involved in events that have to do with the Tir I'm curious on the origins of the lake as Im likely to throw my own twist on it.

I've searched but I can't find any answers on this one. Is the mystery behind the lake ever addressed?  ???

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« Reply #1 on: <03-24-11/1312:13> »
I don't recall it being discussed again, but I'll check through my books and see what I can find.

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« Reply #2 on: <03-24-11/1355:39> »
iirc, the place showed up in one of the novels as a horror gateway or something. Since then it may have made an apperance in SoNA or some other book as now being a tourist attraction...

Bah, never mind. It is still under lockdown as of 6WA.
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« Reply #3 on: <03-24-11/1501:57> »
It's also the West-East-Opposite of... ah. I think it was that Lake Baikal Island in Yakutia where the rebells got their magical gimmick, wasn't it? So there seems to be a magical axis or something.

In any case I don't think there are many (or, err, any) information about what's going on, or why things are going on.

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« Reply #4 on: <03-26-11/0208:00> »
Best of Both Worlds was the name of the novel.  It was part of a trilogy where the first two novels were set in Earthdawn and only published in German.  Basically, Aine Dupree (yeah, of the Draco Foundation) used blood magic to seal away (and possibly kill) a VERY nasty Horror there...I think it was 2056 but I'm not 100% (it was after Harlequin's Back but before Dunkelzahn went supernova).  It caused a huge rift which let a crapload of Horrors through and made the spike from the Great Ghost Dance worse, which was the Horror's whole goal in sacrificing himself.  It's been cordoned off ever since with very, very high security.

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« Reply #5 on: <03-26-11/1935:13> »
Best of Both Worlds was the name of the novel.  It was part of a trilogy where the first two novels were set in Earthdawn and only published in German.  Basically, Aine Dupree (yeah, of the Draco Foundation) used blood magic to seal away (and possibly kill) a VERY nasty Horror there...I think it was 2056 but I'm not 100% (it was after Harlequin's Back but before Dunkelzahn went supernova).  It caused a huge rift which let a crapload of Horrors through and made the spike from the Great Ghost Dance worse, which was the Horror's whole goal in sacrificing himself.  It's been cordoned off ever since with very, very high security.
Wow, that sounds quite cool, sure would rather read that than the last SR novel I read... :P
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« Reply #6 on: <03-26-11/2351:47> »
Best of Both Worlds was the name of the novel.  It was part of a trilogy where the first two novels were set in Earthdawn and only published in German.  Basically, Aine Dupree (yeah, of the Draco Foundation) used blood magic to seal away (and possibly kill) a VERY nasty Horror there...I think it was 2056 but I'm not 100% (it was after Harlequin's Back but before Dunkelzahn went supernova).  It caused a huge rift which let a crapload of Horrors through and made the spike from the Great Ghost Dance worse, which was the Horror's whole goal in sacrificing himself.  It's been cordoned off ever since with very, very high security.
Wow, that sounds quite cool, sure would rather read that than the last SR novel I read... :P
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« Reply #7 on: <04-07-11/1526:55> »
What really screwed Aina over were Ysrthgrathe's final words to her.  Basically telling her that she did exactly what he wanted, and that he had manipulated the situation, and her, from millenia before.

Not exactly condusive to a healthy sanity.
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« Reply #8 on: <04-13-11/0129:12> »
What really screwed Aina over were Ysrthgrathe's final words to her.  Basically telling her that she did exactly what he wanted, and that he had manipulated the situation, and her, from millenia before.

Not exactly condusive to a healthy sanity.
Of course, he's a big dirty liar, so may have been saying that just to mess with her.

Of course, the mental anguish of such a realisation may have given Ysrthgrathe enough food to survive the blood magic...

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« Reply #9 on: <05-15-11/1925:04> »
Street Magic p. 120 has a sidebar on Crater Lake saying that the Lake's magical power has now started to reverse and is a growing mana ebb.

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« Reply #10 on: <05-16-11/1506:04> »
Thanks for the info guys. I'll definately have to check out that series.

I'm currenty on the Kellan Colt books myself and I've found them to be...lacking.

(I apologize for the late reply, I've recently moved and my internet access has been spotty.)  ;D

As for the lake's power reversing in Street Magic that's an interesting development. Makes me wonder if the writers have plans for the area in the near future.

Since my OP I ran an adventure where they had to check it out and basicly I had it turn out to be a large underground insect (ant) hive ruled by a powerful queen that had crossed over using an astral rift left by the Horrors death. I've worked it in to where Larry Zincan, current head of the Star Chamber, was actually collaborating with the insect shaman that was maintaining the place. And had struck a deal with the forces guarding the area to keep quiet about the strange trucks that drove into the area at night. (Full of fresh new metahuman bodies for the queen of course.)  :D

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« Reply #11 on: <05-16-11/1635:03> »
According to Lacrima, a "mago-historian" from Tir Tairngire, the eruption that formed Crater Lake occured on 3454 BC. This date has no real significance that I know of. That would be 341 years before the date given by Ehran for the end of the previous age of magic and the sinking of Atlantis (resulting from the explosion of the Theran orichalcuml pillars IIRC). However, the Tir Tairngire Peace Force cordonned off Crater Lake about one week after Lacrima released his findings.

Interestingly enough, in Real Life, geologists estimate the eruption of Mount Mazama that created Crater Lake happened around 5,677 BC ±150. If we assume the Fourth Age duration was the same as the Fifth Age, 5,124 years, this eruption occured really near he middle of the Fourth Age (the exact middle year would be 5'675 BC). That would be another assumption that the middle year is also the highest point in the Mana Cycle, when the Horrors would be at their strongest.

My guess is, whatever happened at Crater Lake in the past, the place is the reason the immortal elves who founded Tir Tairngire chose Oregon to do so in the first place, instead of any other region of the world where they could manipulate the government into welcoming metahumans.

The Tir elve calls the island in the middle of Crater Lake, "Tesetelinestea". According to Street Magic, this is Sperethiel that translates as "Skull of the Dragon." In his Will, Dunkelzahn gives the coordinates of dragon bones accros North America, a skeleton for which Dunkelzahn already possessed the head. So, maybe that head was at Crater Lake and Dunkelzahn retrieved it at some point, before the Tir elves set their shop there.
To push things even further, there is also the theory that the skeleton was Ghostwalker. Dunkelzahn wanted the skeleton to be on display at the Smithsonian so that Ghostwalker spirit would have a easier time finding it when he wuld exit the Astral Rift his brother was about to leave in Washington. Ghostwalker showed up at the same time as Shedim. That is, spirits with the ability to claim a dead body, and even regenerate it if they are powerful enough.
Also, Crater Lake started turning from a Domain into a Mana Ebb around the time of Dunkelzahn's death. Which is also the time the Astral Rift opened toward wherever Ghostwalker was. So maybe it was some sort air current flowing in your apartment, when a door was opened. What am I suggesting here is that Crater Lake was the place Ghostwalker first entered that wherever he was.
A simplier theory would just link Crater Lake shift to Dunkelzahn/Lethe destroying the Astral Bridge to stop the Horrors return.

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« Reply #12 on: <05-24-11/1425:21> »
+1 for the theories Nath. Very insightful stuff.

After reading about how Aina sealed away Ysrthgrathe there it begs the idea of there being some "gateway" to the metaplanes still there but closed off because of the blood magic.




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« Reply #13 on: <05-25-11/0455:51> »
If only there was a metaplot campaign about something like that. But the rumormill says we don't deal in metaplot anymore.

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« Reply #14 on: <05-25-11/1255:14> »
According to Lacrima, a "mago-historian" from Tir Tairngire, the eruption that formed Crater Lake occured on 3454 BC. This date has no real significance that I know of. That would be 341 years before the date given by Ehran for the end of the previous age of magic and the sinking of Atlantis (resulting from the explosion of the Theran orichalcuml pillars IIRC). However, the Tir Tairngire Peace Force cordonned off Crater Lake about one week after Lacrima released his findings.

Also, Crater Lake started turning from a Domain into a Mana Ebb around the time of Dunkelzahn's death.

I'm curious which resources you're using for these two bits of information.

 

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