[mdp]

just a small question to be sure: If you go for mage, mystic adept, adept, does the quality count for the maximum of 35 bp for positive quality's. 

[Codac]

Yes it does.

[Kot]

It's not in the rules anywhere, so I'd treat those qualities just like metahuman qualities - they don't count towards the limit.

[Medicineman]

they do count against the 35 Pt Max and I would be surprised if it can't be found in the Rules

With a surprised Dance
Medicineman

[Makki]

The magician/adept/etc qualities are listed on the same pages as all the other qualities.
"Magician" is alphabetically sorted between "Lucky" and "Magic Resistance" on SR4A page 91.
Furthermore it doesn't say it doesn't count, like the Infected qualities in RC p77

[Charybdis]

I vote that they count under normal quality 35BP maximums.

It sucks, but it's RAW.

[bluedao]

Just convince your gm to let you take it as a surge quality  .

[Charybdis]

Just convince your gm to let you take it as a surge quality  .

*laughs*

+1 to you sir. That was good timing

[Damien Granz]

Doesn't the SURGE quality itself (the 5, 10, 15 point one) count towards Positive Qualities too though? (I don't mean the metagenic qualities inside it, the 30/15 or whatever).

[Medicineman]

Doesn't the SURGE quality itself (the 5, 10, 15 point one) count towards Positive Qualities too though? (I don't mean the metagenic qualities inside it, the 30/15 or whatever).

Yes it does
and IIRC I have 2 of my surged Chars with Astral Perception .It saves a point of Ki Powers

with a saved Dance
Medicineman

[bluedao]

Doesn't the SURGE quality itself (the 5, 10, 15 point one) count towards Positive Qualities too though? (I don't mean the metagenic qualities inside it, the 30/15 or whatever).

It does but at only half the positive quality worth and 0 the negative. IE 15 point surge gets you 30 points positive qualities and 15 negative but only impacts your total count by 15 and 0.

[Damien Granz]

Doesn't the SURGE quality itself (the 5, 10, 15 point one) count towards Positive Qualities too though? (I don't mean the metagenic qualities inside it, the 30/15 or whatever).

It does but at only half the positive quality worth and 0 the negative. IE 15 point surge gets you 30 points positive qualities and 15 negative but only impacts your total count by 15 and 0.

Yeah, that's how I understood it.. whew, I was about to worry that we'd messed up again.

[Ten-Hex]

and IIRC I have 2 of my surged Chars with Astral Perception .It saves a point of Ki Powers

with a saved Dance
Medicineman

Not to ruin your fancy dancing, but how do you accomplish that? Astral Sight cannot be taken by anyone with the adept or mystic adept quality, even as part of a SURGE changeling package.

[Medicineman]

Thats not quit right  .There is the "Spökenkieker" (Streetmagic German Version Pg 25 astral Perception 5 Pts Positive Quality) and the Runners Compendium (Pg 117 German Version("further metagenetic Qualities " ?) ) explicitely says that awakened qualities can be used/are valid for Surge and Astral Perception is one of these)
....
Ahh ,OK, I reread Your Post (and Pg 25....) Hmmm
Okeeeeeeeiiiih,Jah,Hmmmm....
Didn't consider it/never seen it from this Angle.....
Well ,as long as no GM and no Fellow Player complains... .everybody is Happy 
Its also ....unpleasant because I have a very interesting Concept of a "semi-awakened"Char (an Aztech-Ex-Seal with astral Perception and latent awakening who will(one Day) awake completely and I wanted to Change the Karmapoints I paid for those Two Qualities for ....whatever the GM chooses...Hmmm)

with a metagenetic Dance
Medicineman

[Ten-Hex]

Well ,as long as no GM and no Fellow Player complains... .everybody is Happy 

Most important rule of any game.