[Netzgeist]

My reasons for not using a gang right now:

- First of all, a gang job is noisy: even when they do a diversion to take the guards attention elsewhere, the obvious response for their action is an increment in alertness and security: I don't think we want it right now.

- Second: we can't control the possibility of casualties, and we are trying to avoid that.

- Third: We have nothing yet to bargain with any of them. After we enter in the place, we could at least defy them to do the same and show us that they are the kings of the street (ok, this would probably not work for a gang, but for some wannabes, and maybe they will do).

- Fourth: Loot. The loot is ours. Let the others enter in the story after it's already taken.

- Fifth: Our characters don't know each other, and don't know if one or another would not betray the others once inside. Imagine gang members. Once they have what they want, why would they help the 'runners? I'd leave them to be caught in their place.

Now I'm tired of numbers...

But my vote is for us breaking in, in a stealth or social (or both) way, without any ganger support right now. I'd use them later. We disrupt the production, they make it stay that way. Don't know yet how, but it's my vote.

[Sichr]

I thought about using the gang to slow down PuebSec rsponse.

But As

Omar has a Jammer, will it jam any com or just wireless?

wireless

Infiltration priority
#1 cutting their wire line to PubSec ASAP
    *without being detected if possible 

I applaud to that. And since the node is behind barrier, we are not able to do this without physicaly entering facility. once we have this done, we have all the time we need to do our distraction.
What about infiltrating using some of employes ID? Do we have any info on them? I remember some datasearch aton this topic?

[Kouryuu]

I thought about using the gang to slow down PuebSec rsponse.

But As

Omar has a Jammer, will it jam any com or just wireless?

wireless

Infiltration priority
#1 cutting their wire line to PubSec ASAP
    *without being detected if possible 

I applaud to that. And since the node is behind barrier, we are not able to do this without physicaly entering facility. once we have this done, we have all the time we need to do our distraction.
What about infiltrating using some of employes ID? Do we have any info on them? I remember some  datasearch aton this topic?

Not a option for me. They have seen my face.  Someone else typiques could, will help with mask.
Against gangs for safty reasons, Not dismising entirly,tho. Pubsec would've ne a good Target.

[Netzgeist]

What about infiltrating using some of employes ID? Do we have any info on them? I remember some datasearch aton this topic?

Difficult. The facility is not so huge that the guards would not remember some of the employees, I guess. We have found no useful information in this searches. Still think our best bets is to infiltrate without being seen or as something a little unespected.

Also, just saying, Fractal will have some sleep. He has his eight hours need, and is also a lazy guy...

[Sentinemodo]

Netz. did I told you already about delivery time of the goods you ordered so far? if no, they could be by 6:00 PM. (I don't want to go into detailed goods fencing rolls :/)

Omar. if they have a wired line to the PuebSec then you cannot jamm it on either end. You need to physically access it on either end or cut the line in the middle (the latter will be  spotted during any most routine communication check). The closest PuebSec precinct house is at Lakewood district between Kipling and Simm Streets, which is about 15 minutes to the west from them RMD location.

[Kouryuu]

Netz. did I told you already about delivery time of the goods you ordered so far? if no, they could be by 6:00 PM. (I don't want to go into detailed goods fencing rolls :/)

Omar. if they have a wired line to the PuebSec then you cannot jamm it on either end. You need to physically access it on either end or cut the line in the middle (the latter will be  spotted during any most routine communication check). The closest PuebSec precinct house is at Lakewood district between Kipling and Simm Streets, which is about 15 minutes to the west from them RMD location.

cutting the line is on option but placing a filter on it, that delays and scrambles specific words on the fly with a delay of a few milisecs for analysis and scramble would do the trick and reinforce the need of technicians on the ground for repairs

From the looks of the distance their HQ is, they are using Mobile units, so the 5 min reaction is a flimsy one. could be 10, and could be 2 depending on where the patrol is at the moment.

[Sichr]

Netz. did I told you already about delivery time of the goods you ordered so far? if no, they could be by 6:00 PM. (I don't want to go into detailed goods fencing rolls :/)

Omar. if they have a wired line to the PuebSec then you cannot jamm it on either end. You need to physically access it on either end or cut the line in the middle (the latter will be  spotted during any most routine communication check). The closest PuebSec precinct house is at Lakewood district between Kipling and Simm Streets, which is about 15 minutes to the west from them RMD location.

cutting the line is on option but placing a filter on it, that delays and scrambles specific words on the fly with a delay of a few milisecs for analysis and scramble would do the trick and reinforce the need of technicians on the ground for repairs

From the looks of the distance their HQ is, they are using Mobile units, so the 5 min reaction is a flimsy one. could be 10, and could be 2 depending on where the patrol is at the moment.

I tell you what. Im not going to mess with fucking Indians. We get in, intercept the comunication and disable RMD to send the HELP request to PuebSec. If we dont manage to do it in time, we would need that gang on the highway to intercept puebsec cars on their way here and give us more time. If they send LAV, we are fucked up and we would need to GTFO ASAP. Undestood? We have problems with infiltrating low profile security area, I wont complicate it by trying to mess with the national security agency.
Consider PuebSec out of options.

[Kouryuu]

I tell you what. Im not going to mess with fucking Indians. We get in, intercept the comunication and disable RMD to send the HELP request to PuebSec. If we dont manage to do it in time, we would need that gang on the highway to intercept puebsec cars on their way here and give us more time. If they send LAV, we are fucked up and we would need to GTFO ASAP. Undestood? We have problems with infiltrating low profile security area, I wont complicate it by trying to mess with the national security agency.
Consider PuebSec out of options.

Ok, fine by me, just When we infiltrate this low sec production facility and its actually a front for a high sec secret lab
I am not gonna take the guilt train for failing the job. 
Remember : Good Intel is 3/4 of an successful job
Not happy but will go along.

JDA, does Ryker have Levitate?
Will Omar be able to find cameras and tag them for me with his drone?
what exactly you need me to find to put this bug of yours? Sec center or just a communication panel?

P.s. will taser shots count as standard pistol shots or silenced or, maybe, something in the middle?
Different GM's different rules. 

[Sentinemodo]

Will Omar be able to find cameras and tag them for me with his drone?

- the physical cameras are on the security shack and on the loading dock driveways (you found them using radar, further into the facility the scan was made by Riker, so you're not able to deiced if there were any) - there are no matrix nodes accessible for those cameras (or at least Omar, wasn't able to find them from the outside),

P.s. will taser shots count as standard pistol shots or silenced or, maybe, something in the middle?
Different GM's different rules. 

they count as silenced shots.

[Netzgeist]

Netz. did I told you already about delivery time of the goods you ordered so far? if no, they could be by 6:00 PM. (I don't want to go into detailed goods fencing rolls :/)

Yeah, have already told me. No problem.

So now we now, they get their supplies in only one great cargo delivery by the morning. That's good in a way, since we can sabotage just one delivery the other days...

[Sentinemodo]

I see the plan forming:
1. perimeter over watch - Omar in Matrix, Calico on the tower, Riker in astral
2. Sam will go inside (alone or with Cursor, or maybe Calico inside instead of on the tower, cause it is not a very good position)
- primary target - security console - to block the help request.
- secondary target - implant bugs to gain entrance on the second mission
3. in case anything go wrong the gang will provide distraction for the incoming PuebSec forces.

the problems I see
- how you plan to enter the facility
- you don't know where exactly is a security console
- the infiltration doesn't bring any real disruptions to the production or you don't plan any in the first attempt.

[Sichr]

So lets take some emloy and interogate him for some insider info...or some soc-fu maybe meeting him in the pub or something? Fractal, would you be able to do it?
Then, if he is not killed in the process, he is not cassaulty if I drop him out in front of the hospital once we are finished with him

[Netzgeist]

It's possible, and a smart way of doing it. Problem is, Fractal asleep by now...

[Sentinemodo]

No problem at all

[Kouryuu]

So lets take some emloy and interogate him for some insider info...or some soc-fu maybe meeting him in the pub or something? Fractal, would you be able to do it?
Then, if he is not killed in the process, he is not cassaulty if I drop him out in front of the hospital once we are finished with him

Laes cigaretes? doeas somone have them?
Fargot to pack some. 
We can do it on the fly with a guard.
Fractal could easly impersonate the checkins while we get the info, maybe Ryker has some mind spells probe preferebly, or Fractal himself could do his magic?