[Sichr]

Or just press on tonight before they reinforce themselves and use the lack of command.

That is almost our only option.

Wel...Boss leaves the facility for meeting with some strange people he never met before. Althought usually he is traveling alone, he takes two guards for this opportunity.
Then he leaves them alone...and they leave him without even seeing him face to face to confitrm his OK state when they are leaving him.
LOL

We bribe the bartender...lets say 500Y.
Then PuebSec comes. Says that they have the real hight suspicion about the Erics dissapearance and that they want full cooperation on this case...well...it is a question of a enterprise permit ect.
LOL

The hacker is in the building D.
We were not able to detect his node due to WiFi inhibiting materials...we were planning infiltration to get the link on "insner" matrix...
Well now we are able to atack him in Matrix combat.
LOL

[Sichr]

So I propose this. Laes this Eric, strip him of all his posessions, maybe providing him with some false ID or passport (Lets hope someone is able to steal some credstick on the street)
Take him to the Bullet train station, seat him to the train to wherever...New york would be fine for example, and send him on the long trip.
Lets do this before they began to search for him...
There is the risk that we will need to transport him to the train...and the stations are well protected and there will be a enought eyes to make the new moon shine.

Then lets use the distraction to enter the facility by any means necessary. do the damage and get away.

Ill ebnter the node we hacked before it goes red, plant my own bomb there set for deleting the log file when acessed. Ill use new encryption for whole node, so it should take some time to break it...and I will change those data the way Chrona proposed: Deleting, altering data. We shpould also provide our account to the Matrix community...with all Email adresses found in the database-massivce spam attacks , multiple hacking attempts that would cover our initial activity...

[Kouryuu]

So I propose this. Laes this Eric, strip him of all his posessions, maybe providing him with some false ID or passport (Lets hope someone is able to steal some credstick on the street)
Take him to the Bullet train station, seat him to the train to wherever...New york would be fine for example, and send him on the long trip.
Lets do this before they began to search for him...
There is the risk that we will need to transport him to the train...and the stations are well protected and there will be a enought eyes to make the new moon shine.

No real point to that, as the Laes cigs i bought are for short term memory, he would forget the meeting with Fractal, but not that he had brackfast in a motel because his wife threw him out of his house.  the second part just to make the time clear

Then lets use the distraction to enter the facility by any means necessary. do the damage and get away.

Ill enter the node we hacked before it goes red, plant my own bomb there set for deleting the log file when acessed. Ill use new encryption for whole node, so it should take some time to break it...and I will change those data the way Chrona proposed: Deleting, altering data. We should also provide our account to the Matrix community...with all Email adresses found in the database-massivce spam attacks , multiple hacking attempts that would cover our initial activity...

No arguing that the infiltration just became much more difficult, let's just hope we can get some info out of him, but this time the your life is not wroth more to you then the safety of the company, could not work, cuz he is the CO of the said company.

If we can not gain anything we would still need some info on the plans of the facility  , then going in blind is like shooting ourselves in the foot. we are outnumbered and they have the home ground advantage, any misstep on our side can have severe cosinesses.

Do we still need to add a transmitter bug in the building?
Can we track how the hacker sends his info? find the Landline, so to say? use it to block his calls  to PubSec

[Sichr]

Forget about landline, forget about puebsec. Forget about guards for the moment and their advantage etc.

1. Cross the fence.
2. Infiltrate building unnoticed (possibly use that truck - infiltrate it on the crossroad when Omar is blocking the trafffic, get into it, tie yourself to the chasis or anything else...or just run quickly, while Im creating some distraction on theother side)
3. Find the employee lockers, wearing the Visit badge or something. The factory is not oplain space. There is 100+1 hideaouts, roms, closets, toilets etc. If needed take a prisonner, intimidate him, stun him and hide him in the toilet ie.
4. Use disquise with dresses, overals found on site
5. do this between shifts, or if there is the time when most employees are at home (honestly, I cannot remember the shift plan, it was quite a long time to get to this point)
6. I understand that you prefere to have all informatioons possible and than act. OK
We have a demo/infil ex-army sopecialist. Imagine the mission -
Recon of the teritorry, sabotage and diversion actions if possible.
He find the enemy bunker full of ammo. the bunker is lightly guarded (about 10 guards) it is behind the fence and there are some cameras. And the may call for reinforcemets, with the response time (known) cca 5 minutes.
So our demo/infil expert sits in the forrest and spend week planning...
I dont think so. He will observe the area for a while, waits until the best conditions...maybe for the rain or night, gets in, place charges, gets out...unnnoticed or with some quick close combat situations....ten hours after discovering the base he is watching the fireworks...

Guerilla tactics - lot of improvisation, and most important - confidence to your skills. there is always the option something goes wrong, and if so, lets have an exit point where I will pick you up...all you neeed is to stay in cover. Inside the Rover we are quite safe even from LMG fire.

@Sent..: So...is there a possibility that it will be rainy night today???

[Kouryuu]

Forget about landline, forget about puebsec. Forget about guards for the moment and their advantage etc.

So you storming the place with me. Nice good thinking on the all out attack plan, you can always get the car remotely that's way you got the rigger adaptation in your rover right?
If you want go in blind go for it, but do not hope we will come to the rescue. We will find a way around the mess you would have made by storming the place.

I understand that this game is got slow, but your bitching about it wont help either, we have got Eric, so running of without getting any information out of him would make no sense at all. Further more it's only the second evening from a week assignment, and we have a plan we have made preparations and are ready to roll as soon as we get the info we need, that's the layout. the location of the Sec centre. if Eric is of no help we can still go back to my original plan to nap a patrol guard and let fractal imitate him on the radios
"You know what, that drunk ganger is back, throwing stones at me, going in pursuit, get someone to replace me while I chase him away"
then we just get the info out of the guard, his loyalty to RMD should be a lot lower then Eric's.

[Sichr]

Ok. So ill stop bitchin and wait until your nex carefully planed operation.
Or I may be wrong, so give me Balance score card:
Desired Goals : Achievements

We are planning, talking and shittin around for 2 months, with the mission that is meant tobe played as a possible Con event. Ive almost forget most of details we have from recons and datasearches, I need to list 45 pages of text to look for the details sometimes. Yes. I may be bitching too much, that is because I usualy talk to push something forward, not because I love to listen to myself. What I see is pointless...
Next time you tell me that Im too hasty I want you to remember, that if we did it my way, we have Eric, taken without guards on his way home, no witnesses, possibly no traces and, done right, out of any suspicion that he is kidnapped.
So yes, Im not content about how things developed.

[Kouryuu]

So yes, I'm not content about how things developed.

yeah most of are not, but the planing is done, it will not take a month to interrogate 2 man, we can do it in 2 days.
so far we have done:
Hacking - Dead end, at least for now
Con - Not Working, reverted a disaster just by luck
Infiltration - Next on the list
Full assault - Worst for the last

No one in particular is responsible that the planing took so ling, mostly the indecisiveness of the team as a whole is to blame. [quote

[Sichr]

So yes, I'm not content about how things developed.

yeah most of are not, but the planing is done, it will not take a month to interrogate 2 man, we can do it in 2 days.
so far we have done:
Hacking - Dead end, at least for now
Con - Not Working, reverted a disaster just by luck
Infiltration - Next on the list
Full assault - Worst for the last

No one in particular is responsible that the planing took so ling, mostly the indecisiveness of the team as a whole is to blame.

Well. Just to calm things down a bit: Im not proposing full scale assault. Im proposing simple actions. I dont know what you do for living. Im industry process engineer. And i know that there is a Law of nature, that says, that the more complicated plans/equipement/machinery/information systems are, the higher is the risk of failure. So lets move forward by simple steps. We always have an Eye up front, so you`ll never enter any area totally blind and unprepared.

[Kouryuu]

Well. Just to calm things down a bit: Im not proposing full scale assault. Im proposing simple actions. I dont know what you do for living. Im industry process engineer. And i know that there is a Law of nature, that says, that the more complicated plans/equipement/machinery/information systems are, the higher is the risk of failure. So lets move forward by simple steps. We always have an Eye up front, so you`ll never enter any area totally blind and unprepared.

Yep the simple solution is the best, but we are not making complicated plans, we are gathering info for a simple plan, there is no point in going in if we do not have a clue where we have to go. i just need a target so i know the point a point be and can plot the rout from a to b without taking out more guards then necessary. Keeping Cursos and fractal safe will be a pain too, cuz i think their infiltration is next to none, comparing to me.

[Kouryuu]

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Next time you tell me that Im too hasty I want you to remember, that if we did it my way, we have Eric, taken without guards on his way home, no witnesses, possibly no traces and, done right, out of any suspicion that he is kidnapped.
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i did not see the point in taking Eric at all. I just need someone who has been in the Sec centre, a guard would have done the trick even one of the off shift, in my way even the guard would not remember he gave us the info with the help of Laes cigs.
 this is just the consequence of every of us having a plan and then deciding on the best one, the middle road, yours might have been better or mine could have been better, but in the end we did what we did.

[Sichr]

Good. Now, from my experience, since they outsource security to some company, CEO will probably give us nothing usable.
But with your radar, we have some good map to work with.
I dont know if it is necessary to get in with the charatcers who are not able of infiltration..Calico and Sam should be enought, we dont need more people inside, do we?

[Sentinemodo]

I'll try to respond on the sudden torren of posts

I want some news from my Eye feed first...any movement on the RMD.

there is nothing special happening there

And Im deffinitely NOT taking that motherfucker to any firm location, the very last option is one of our safehouses...

We will stay on the road and in the move, before we think out what is the next step.
Because our Soc-fu goal was to get the entrance to the facility without the risk.

Now this was EPIC FAIL !!!

While the original goal wasn't achieved, hijacking the top ranking executive IS a success. Without top management, the facility that is operating on razor thin margin will generate losses very soon, and it will have very hard time to recover from any blows. You just need to deliver them.

*Happy dance time*

"No time for losers, 'cause we are the champions... of the world!"

Sweet!

You think so? Well you was afraid of infiltration before...you must shit your panties trying to imagine entering the facility now.

No time for loosers...that part is about us. How long it should take to find Eric by magical means? By spirits? if a single one is looking, ...how much...4-5 hours? With whole fucking RMD scrambled, maybe reinforced?

Well this is fucked up situation.

Our soc-fu is obviously not working... how long it takes to break that bar owner to get a trace on Sam?
You call this success?

You have a mage among you to cover your tracks from magical means - if JDA isn't following anymore I can NPC him (same for Calico btw).
RMD isn't reinforced yet ...

[Sentinemodo]

We hack is comm, have it send a message that he's heading home himself, then thats he is off ill for the week, sam bribes the bartender, we set the personnel lists to mark him as on sick leave

About commlink - it had been turned off when you're leading the Erik out of the bar. Forcing the resident hacker out of the commlink. During second try to hack yourself into. The node sets alarm, but without time pressure, you're able to hack yourself an admin account and operate it.

[Kouryuu]

Good. Now, from my experience, since they outsource security to some company, CEO will probably give us nothing usable.
But with your radar, we have some good map to work with.
I dont know if it is necessary to get in with the charatcers who are not able of infiltration..Calico and Sam should be enought, we dont need more people inside, do we?

That's exactly my thoughts about the CEO, but he might tell us the layout. hopefully
the radar works in real time, i can get the location of any guard in the radius of it, so it is a big help not only while preparing.
Not sure it is actual at the moment cuz Cursor punched trough the Data bomb, but if we need some hacking they might come in handy

P.s. RL am am writing my Master degree in MicroBiology, that means I always have to do the research to make some statement to be true, so i might be inclined to do the Intel thing a bit more carefully then others, but I know what I need and I go for it, not a truck with supplies or the CEO, I just need someone to tell me the layout and where what is in the base so i can get in plant explosives disable their sec. and get out. You stealing a truck from them would be a good diversion, but it should never take priority.

[Sentinemodo]

Or just press on tonight before they reinforce themselves and use the lack of command.

That is almost our only option.

Wel...Boss leaves the facility for meeting with some strange people he never met before. Althought usually he is traveling alone, he takes two guards for this opportunity.
Then he leaves them alone...and they leave him without even seeing him face to face to confitrm his OK state when they are leaving him.
LOL

The assumption that he is usually travelling alone is based upon SINGLE observation.
That they leave without comment, may give you some hints about Eriks behaviour patterns. Same as that even that he had a hacker in his node he haven't his commlink left in recording mode and the hacker is/was oblivious of what happened in the bar.
It is now barely 10 minutes after their exit (in that time you've hastily left the bar with Erik). Since your eye in the sky didn't report anything wrong, it might well be they haven't yet noticed that their boss is taken. moreover since you haven't observed any standard commlinks, they operate based upon short range radios, and may have slight delya before they'll be able to inform base.

We bribe the bartender...lets say 500Y.
Then PuebSec comes. Says that they have the real hight suspicion about the Erics dissapearance and that they want full cooperation on this case...well...it is a question of a enterprise permit ect.
LOL

That is the problem, mostly for Sam. but first somebody need to raise the flag that Erik was kidnapped, secondary that is what the private rooms are for to meet without everyone knowing the fact.

The hacker is in the building D.
We were not able to detect his node due to WiFi inhibiting materials...we were planning infiltration to get the link on "insner" matrix...
Well now we are able to atack him in Matrix combat.
LOL

1. he is operating from the building D - probably from the commlink not from the security node
2. the matrix combat happened in Erik's commlink node