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TheWanderingJewels

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« Reply #45 on: <06-01-11/1042:25> »
Wasn't Aztechnologya Big Agra Corp (among other things?)
Tech dreams of organic toys
And I'm runnin' out on the edge
Soft screams of the rockerboys
Echoing through my head

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« Reply #46 on: <06-01-11/1239:14> »
ORO, the company that would turn into Aztechnology, was a front for laundering money by NarcoTerrorist groups out Mexico and the northern part of South America.

Then magic came back.
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« Reply #47 on: <06-01-11/1532:38> »
ORO, the company that would turn into Aztechnology, was a front for laundering money by NarcoTerrorist groups out Mexico and the northern part of South America.

Then magic came back.

Somethings never change.
Look past the lies, and all the scary stuff that remains is the truth.

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« Reply #48 on: <06-01-11/1603:20> »
ORO, the company that would turn into Aztechnology, was a front for laundering money by NarcoTerrorist groups out Mexico and the northern part of South America.

Then magic came back.
Somethings never change.
You got it.  The Aztlan Sourecebook has the number one rule about drug dealers in the country being:  "There aren't any.  Aztechnology does not like the competition."

It was also a major headache in Denver.  Something over the counter was outright illegal to even think about having in the UCAS, despite it being only a block away or some such thing.
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« Reply #49 on: <06-06-11/0951:42> »
Now, in North America, most of the farm land is owned by the Native American Nations, with the Megacorporations working on Frankenfoods that will grow in harsher and harder conditions (Wheat in the Arctic Circle!).
I ran across a reference like this in Target: UCAS and decided to do a little digging and according various sites on crop production in the US, if climate stayed relatively stable, then the UCAS still retains the lions share of staple crops. Now I couldhave missed something in SR about climate change which would most assuredly throw off the center of production.

Corn:
Corn is the largest U.S. crop, in terms of both volume and value. The states of Iowa, Illinois, Nebraska and Minnesota account for more than 50 percent of U.S. corn production. Other major corn-producing states include Indiana, Wisconsin, South Dakota, Michigan, Missouri, Kansas, Ohio and Kentucky. Source: www.grains.org/corn

Midwest states (# acres planted)
IL          13.2 million
IN         6.6 million
IA         14.3 million
KS        3.7 million
MI         2.5 million
MN       8.2 million
MO       3.5 million
NE        9.1 million
ND       2.5 million
OH       4.0 million
SD       5.0 million     
WI        4.05 million
Source: http://www.agronext.iastate.edu/corn/showitem.php?id=47

Wheat:
Top Ten Wheat states (1000s of bushels)
1. N. Dakota          234,600
2. Minnesota           79,200
3. Montana              65,550
4. S. Dakota             64,350
5. Idaho                   33,320
6. Washington         25,830
7. Oregon                  5,250
8. Colorado               3,168
9. Utah                         784
10. Wisconsin               360
Source: www.worc.org/userfiles/WORCproductionfactsheet.pdf

Soybeans:
Soybean production, top five States, 2010 (estimated):
   IA - 496 million bushels
   IL – 466 million bushels
   MN - 329 million bushels
   NE - 268 million bushels
   IN - 259 million bushels
Source: http://www.ers.usda.gov/news/soybeancoverage.htm

Also much of the grain producing areas of Canada, namely AB, ON and MB (the Manitoba Ag Initiatives website has very nice maps) lay within UCAS boundaries.

I didn't post stats for each of the border states (ND, SD, NE, KA) as I'd have to delve deeper and I figured there are that many farm junkies on this board, if I assumed inccorectly give me a bit of time and I can work something up.

EDIT: If people were interested I could dig up numbers on livestock as well.
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« Reply #50 on: <06-06-11/0955:38> »
I've been thinking about that as a backstory, actually.  Justifies the Homegrown Farming quality; make a side living growing real food.
Makes an interesting and really...historical-ish motivation; "Crops failed, turning bandit need a job."
Throw in a little magical assistance and you've got a very nice business, of course the elves got the prime real estate for farming in the Northwest (Willamette Valley).  ;)
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« Reply #51 on: <06-06-11/0958:44> »
I've been thinking about that as a backstory, actually.  Justifies the Homegrown Farming quality; make a side living growing real food.
Makes an interesting and really...historical-ish motivation; "Crops failed, turning bandit need a job."
Throw in a little magical assistance and you've got a very nice business, of course the elves got the prime real estate for farming in the Northwest (Willamette Valley).  ;)
Also, as I've mentioned, "Frankenfood" that allows Wheat to grow in the arctic circle and such, which can extend the growing area of what was originally thought to be worthless land for farming.
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« Reply #52 on: <06-06-11/1042:21> »
I've been thinking about that as a backstory, actually.  Justifies the Homegrown Farming quality; make a side living growing real food.
Makes an interesting and really...historical-ish motivation; "Crops failed, turning bandit need a job."
Throw in a little magical assistance and you've got a very nice business, of course the elves got the prime real estate for farming in the Northwest (Willamette Valley).  ;)
Also, as I've mentioned, "Frankenfood" that allows Wheat to grow in the arctic circle and such, which can extend the growing area of what was originally thought to be worthless land for farming.
Diving into that right now.
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« Reply #53 on: <06-13-11/1053:41> »
I've been thinking about that as a backstory, actually.  Justifies the Homegrown Farming quality; make a side living growing real food.
Makes an interesting and really...historical-ish motivation; "Crops failed, turning bandit need a job."
Throw in a little magical assistance and you've got a very nice business, of course the elves got the prime real estate for farming in the Northwest (Willamette Valley).  ;)
Also, as I've mentioned, "Frankenfood" that allows Wheat to grow in the arctic circle and such, which can extend the growing area of what was originally thought to be worthless land for farming.
Diving into that right now.

Ah GM foods. Also if you take into account what is being theorized and worked on right now, there may very well be large Agri-Pods in space that could supplement Earthbound food production.
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« Reply #54 on: <06-13-11/1155:41> »
Orbital food would likely still be a few decades off in the 2070s.  They're still rebuilding the Space Network after Crash 2.0 when a lot of orbital assets did the Colony Drop thing...  :(
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« Reply #55 on: <06-16-11/1943:36> »
Good thread. Shadowrun does a lot better than most settings in the logistics of how things work. This is an interesting line of inquiry, because, as many here and elsewhere have said, he who controls the victuals has your balls in a vice. Everybody's gotta eat.

Some of the agritech is hinted at in the books or given a short once over. Its not terribly exciting and is of little use to shadowrunners, so they skip it mostly. But from what I understand, there are three major forces in agriculture in the Sixth World.

The corporations pushing heavily processed soy/tofu/krill/mycoprotein junk that is cheap to produce in as an industrial a way as possible.

More niche corps who still produce 'real food', aka corn, wheat, livestock for meat, etc. Stuff we're used to thinking of as food. Though we all eat the above as well.

Ecoconscious groups and corporations that produce 'real real food', organics and green-produced foodstuffs. Little or no pesticides, no GM crops, etc.

Most people in the civilized parts of the Sixth World eat mostly if not all of the first. Crap from Stuffer Shack. Chips and sauces, fried sticks of unidentifiable but tasty microwaved stuff. Jugs of totally artificial and brightly colored 'drink'. Crap. Filler calories with artificial flavorings and inserted nutritional content. Cheap to mass produce. They grow mycoprotein and krill in huge aquacultures and tanks. Soybeans are heavily genemodded for huge yields in industrial agricultural centers. The word 'farm' does not apply.

The second is more like the agribusiness of today. GM crops and livestock, industrial feed lots and tons of pesticides and so forth. Still recognizably food though, as opposed to raw mycoprotein. Dominated by the specialist agri-corps who sell to the upper class who can afford actual food.

The eco-conscious eater eats organic, non-GM foods and by nature probably has as little to do with the agri-corps as possible. There's a real movement in agriculture today to focus more on this. Smaller and family farms can survive if they go with a business model that integrates more biodiversity of crop types and diverse lineages of crops. Necessitates a much more labor intensive method of farming, as you can't design your farm around the huge combine harvesters and irrigation methods that current industrial farms use. Also translates into higher prices for the food you produce.

The poor eat the first, the rich the second, and the rich and green eat the last. The second and third overlap a bit depending on how organic the end product is. I believe the corps dominate the first and second, both to feed the masses and the upper class, and the third is people trying to break free of the cycle. I would assume the NAN has a lot more of the organic farming going on, but they still control huge amounts of farmland and have much lower populations than the UCAS and CAS. They must have plenty of large scale agriculture, most likely for export. The Azzies are supposed to dominate agriculture in North America, and possibly most of South America too.

I wanna know how Amazonians eat. The whole country, besides Metropole and Rio, are left to go back to jungle? What the hell do 50 million city dwellers eat?

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« Reply #56 on: <06-16-11/2035:52> »
Well, the Ghouls eat the other residents of the city.   :P
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« Reply #57 on: <06-16-11/2349:46> »
Well they would. I had a concept for a butcher and cook who got ghoulified and Awakened. He becomes a crazy adept hitman, wielding weapon focus monomolecular cleavers. Carves up metahumans and then cooks up some delicious steaks for his ghoul buddies. I named him Butcher Bill.

After rereading Sixth World Almanac, there are two big farming cities in Amazonia who supply a lot of the food. Also, Hualpa's a dick. Every sapient being gets rights and everything so bloody eco friendly. All life is sacred...except for poor metahumans in Metropole's slums. They can rot.

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« Reply #59 on: <06-17-11/0810:18> »
"Oh, man, REAL MEAT!"  "You know where that..."  "Real.  Meat.  Shut up now."

    Lenina Huxley: [Spartan encounters a burger grill in the underground world] Just don't ask them where the meat comes from.
    John Spartan: Huxley, what's that supposed to mean?
    Lenina Huxley: Do you see any cows around here, detective?

 

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