[Michael Chandra]

You'll just want to convince your real GM to do it differently. For example, let the IRS assume you're simply earning enough for your lifestyle, so a 20h/week job for Low and a 50h/week job for Middle, and tax you at 2500 / 6000 income before taxes. Let them get really suspicious if you're claiming to be a Squatter and only got that little income.

Remember, these are the rules for Missions. Here, there is no leeway, because a GM doesn't have the time. Yes, you're supposed to pay taxes as SINner. But you can talk things over with your GM in normal campaigns.

[Ricochet]

As a Corporate Born SINner , I've actually been deducting 10% of my income at the end of each mission.   Although I thought the fluff really didn't make sense at all, the mechanic was important to follow.  I write it off sort of like some of my money goes to actual taxes (to keep the IRS off my back) and part of my money goes to money laundering and other methods to make sure the remaining money is "clean".  Total cost is 10%, which is what is important.

I will say that my SIN has made me more money than it has lost me though, since I used it to collect a couple bounties in my first 3 missions.  (We'll see if the trend holds in Mission 4 of sprawl wilds.)

Note: I'd have taken the flaw even if it was 5 points since it was a key component in the backstory of the character.  Since it jumped up to 25 points in SR5, I actually had to drop several other flaws (one of which wasn't mission legal anyway, although since it's an RP effect, I'll still play it out.) 

[ZeConster]

Nice. Just make sure not to say "fifteen? " when SINner runners complain about their 15% tax rate.

[Ricochet]

For Bull,
I'm making this assumption, but assuming can get me in trouble...

Assuming that karma gained via "Working for the People" does not count towards street cred, and karma spent for "Working for the man" still counts towards street cred.

[Michael Chandra]

Posted this before but it might have gotten lost in the crowd: What about Intuition-Traditions? Can people switch to them when they are introduced? Or maybe use an SR4-tradition with spirits they cannot use yet?

[Wasabi]

Regarding Sinner-based tax rates I suggest the GM deduct the money.
All it would take is for the missions chronicle to have a spot above 'Purchases' to mark money lost to taxes.

As for it making sense all players MUST know is that its an artificial yet acceptable mechanic and if they don't want to lose the money they can either not-buy affected Sinner qualities or sell them back at the normal 2*book-cost karma cost like any other negative quality.

[ZeConster]

Is the nuyen you get from Working for the Man gross income (so SINners pay taxes over it) or net income?

[Ricochet]

In order to error to my disadvantage (to make sure I'm not cheating):
1) I pay taxes on the 10k before I spend it working for the people.  (So I'm spending after tax money.)
2) I'm not taking +1 street cred for the +5 karma for working for the man.

It's still a big enough boost that I did that after each of my first 4 missions.

Going the other way, I'd argue you should get the +1 street cred (since you earned the 5 karma through a mission), but you also should pay the taxes on the 10k.

[Bull]

Is the nuyen you get from Working for the Man gross income (so SINners pay taxes over it) or net income?

Gross.

Going the other way, I'd argue you should get the +1 street cred (since you earned the 5 karma through a mission), but you also should pay the taxes on the 10k.

That sounds about right.

[Bull]

Jesus.  how many SINners do we HAVE in Season 5?  You're supposed to be the SINless, faceless masses, people!

[ZeConster]

But my character is Athabaskan Council Mounted Police - he first came to Chicago on the trail of his father's killers, and for reasons that don't need exploring at this juncture, decided to remain, on unpaid suspension - and I'm pretty sure you don't get to be a mountie unless you have a real SIN. So it can't be helped.
Also, I find SINners fun to roleplay.

[KarmaInferno]

But my character is Athabaskan Council Mounted Police - he first came to Chicago on the trail of his father's killers, and for reasons that don't need exploring at this juncture, decided to remain, on unpaid suspension - and I'm pretty sure you don't get to be a mountie unless you have a real SIN. So it can't be helped.
Also, I find SINners fun to roleplay.

Do you have a wolf?



-k

[Michael Chandra]

Most, if not all, individuals that pay you have Connection, for example in Ashes a lot of the cast of Shadows had their connection rating listed. When negotiating payment, can you negotiate getting part of it in items that person can get you, so that you only pay taxes over the nuyen part of the payment?

[The Masked Ferret]

The IRS considers barter taxable.

Also, Bull, you ask why so many are SINers? Ok, I have to pay taxes, but it was an easy way to get to the max disadvantages without additional math.

Thirdly, does the karma that we get at character creation count towards retirement as a Prime?

[Ricochet]

Most, if not all, individuals that pay you have Connection, for example in Ashes a lot of the cast of Shadows had their connection rating listed. When negotiating payment, can you negotiate getting part of it in items that person can get you, so that you only pay taxes over the nuyen part of the payment?

Unfortunately, in Sprawl Wilds, Ashes is the only mission with connection ratings included, which also creates difficulties when using contacts gained from those modules.  (We have 1 filled in for Bull's connection rating, even though it's very likely higher than that.)