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« Reply #75 on: <11-20-11/1406:26> »
Ah, yes. Deus is behind Horizon.

Lovely theory since the Consensus claims to be, at heart, what Deus was programmed to do.

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« Reply #76 on: <11-20-11/1736:37> »
Indeed. Perhaps Deus has learned how to operate with a soft touch, instead of the brute force tactics he was forced to take in order to escape the SCIRE?
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« Reply #77 on: <11-20-11/1740:34> »
Well, he's not tied into a hardwired killswitch any longer...
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« Reply #78 on: <11-20-11/1743:21> »
I was re-reading Corp Guide and came across this tidbit.


Quote from: Corporate Guide, 140
Though former Director Huang has been arrested (and possibly is deceased), his team of scientists—commonly held to be responsible for the Arcology Shutdown—is rumored to be working on more emergent tech- nologies similar to what was witnessed at the Renraku Arcology in Seattle. This time it is believed they are working on tech that can capture, transfer, and store biological memories.


> Downloading into human brains is how Deus escaped in the first place. It was only a matter of time before Renraku seized upon how the AI did it and patented the process. 
> FastJack

It reminded me of this.

Quote from: Runner Havens, 58
They cache data away in pockets of external storage memory, offline and online, and it has become such a routine with most technomancers that they have even taken to backing up their natural memories and experiences in external memory, where it can be preserved against the ravages of time, not to mention indexed, scanned, and searched easily.

It's never been a stated ability or given rules, but this seems likely. I know simsense doesn't record memories, only experiences, though it does seem to be able to record thoughts as well. However, Personafix has been able to insert and memories for about fifteen years in-game, and is to my knowledge functionally how Deus implanted its (I hate referring to them as he or she, especially when Deus' icon was Yggdrasil, the World Tree) code into the Network nodes.

But it's interesting to note because in order to recompile itself, all of those nodes needed to have that data extracted from their long-term memory and uploaded into the Matrix. The same thing Quicksilver effectively did with Imago, and what many people believe JackBNimble was doing after it was unlocked, and what, in many cases, e-ghosts basically are the result of. Who knows what all of those memories and emotions have done to alter the nature of the Matrix, which is after all a massive consensual metaphor, the collective unconscious brought to life.

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« Reply #79 on: <11-20-11/1821:23> »
My issue with both those points of view is the fact that we now have AIs popping up everywhere.  A bloody stupid drone pilot program, an accounting program, a 'wild critter' writeup (or whatever feral AIs come from) -- none of these have what, up until the Singularity, the canon has defined as being required for an artificial intelligence to 'wake up'.  No massive computing power (on the scale that was in one case everything the US Government could throw at the first Crash virus, and in the other two case(s) the massive amount of computing the world's foremost computer company could load into their massive flagship location), no years-on-years of the program running, no real 'X' factor.  Just you, strolling along, and then *bamf* there's an AI.
An AI which is no more powerful than a standard hacker (and can't get more than 3 IPs), whereas the old AIs had nearly limitless power. The capabilities got scaled back proportionally to the prerequisites for their emergence.

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« Reply #80 on: <11-20-11/2137:17> »
There is always the FTL rollercoaster know as SOTA, that may have made the requirements for a SK become commonplace rather then specialist gear. Consider that some have on their desk what was once considered a supercomputer...
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« Reply #81 on: <11-20-11/2212:56> »
An AI which is no more powerful than a standard hacker (and can't get more than 3 IPs), whereas the old AIs had nearly limitless power. The capabilities got scaled back proportionally to the prerequisites for their emergence.

I blame caps.

I blame caps for everything not being as awesome as it could, nay, should be.

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« Reply #82 on: <11-21-11/0402:39> »
I blame caps.
Who says the new generation is capped at that level? ;) The threshold for gaining sapience has been lowered, but who knows what might emerge from a system on par with those system which gave rise to the old AIs...

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« Reply #83 on: <11-21-11/0514:31> »
Not sure I followed that ...
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« Reply #84 on: <11-21-11/0557:48> »
Morgan/Megaera never made any otaku

There may have been an official ruling about this, but don't forget about Dodger in the Secrets of Power trilogy.  He uses the Matrix without a cyberdeck back in the early 2050s under Morgan/Megaera's watchful eye.  World's first otaku?

Or just a book written before the rules were finished?  :D
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« Reply #85 on: <11-21-11/0601:18> »
An AI which is no more powerful than a standard hacker (and can't get more than 3 IPs), whereas the old AIs had nearly limitless power. The capabilities got scaled back proportionally to the prerequisites for their emergence.

!!!

A Rating 6 AI PC can get programs up to Rating 12.  That is significantly more powerful than any hacker PC is ever likely to get (all the milspec stuff tops out around Rating 10, IIRC).  Technomancers can beat it with threading/sprite support but that's kinda the point.

IPs are not the only, or even the best, measure of ability.
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« Reply #86 on: <11-21-11/0603:22> »
Morgan/Megaera never made any otaku

There may have been an official ruling about this, but don't forget about Dodger in the Secrets of Power trilogy.  He uses the Matrix without a cyberdeck back in the early 2050s under Morgan/Megaera's watchful eye.  World's first otaku?

Or just a book written before the rules were finished?  :D

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He uses them in the intro story in SR1.

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« Reply #87 on: <11-21-11/0735:55> »
Wow - before even my time!  *grin*  Also: thanks for the clarification.
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« Reply #88 on: <11-21-11/1023:48> »
Program carriers.


He uses them in the intro story in SR1.

I miss those darn things.

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« Reply #89 on: <11-21-11/1100:07> »
Didn't they cause brain damage?  I remember something like that being the reason for the Governor of Seattle having to drop out of the election in 2070...
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