[squee_nabob]

Check the SR4A FAQ:

What Initiative does a Drone act on and how many Initiative Passes does it get?
For drones operating via their Pilot alone (i.e., no metahuman or outside control), Initiative is Pilot + Response, and the drone gets 3 IPs (Drone Initiative, p.245, SR4A).

When a rigger is remotely controlling a drone, either via AR or VR, it acts only at the rigger’s command and uses the rigger’s Matrix Initiative and has a number of IPs equal to the rigger (Remote Control, p.245, SR4A). The rigger must spend a Complex Action to command the drone; if a rigger does not use an action to control the drone during one of their Action Phases, the drone does nothing.

When “jumped in” the rigger has direct control over the drone; the drone uses the rigger’s Matrix Initiative and has the same number of IPs as the rigger (Jumping In, p.245, SR4A).

[Artighur]

So it says that it uses Matrix Initiative (which is normal because it's a Matrix Action), but that mean that you loose what 2 IP from Hot Sim, right ?

[squee_nabob]

So, your interpretation of FAQ may be different than mine, but comparing Remote Control and Jumped in

RC: “has a number of IPs equal to the rigger”

JI: “and has the same number of IPs as the rigger”

These are pretty similar. RC is a matrix action, so clearly it uses your Matrix Initiative and Matrix IPs. When in AR that is equal to your Meat IP (but not your Meat Initiative, you still use Matrix Initiative because that is explicit), because AR IPs = Meat IP. In Cold VR IPs = 2, in Hot VR, IPs = 3.

That’s just how I interpret what I linked. 

[Artighur]

Ok good so we agree. Might have explained myself poorly on the last one.

So if a Technomancer was to remote control, he'd have 1 IP unless the TM has the Acceleration Echo. That does make the Jumped-i TM much better than the Remote controlled one no ? Of course there is that Biofeedback that is annnoying as hell but for pure Firepower Jumped-in will rock Remote control unless you can wipe the floor in 1 IP

[squee_nabob]

I think we clearly disagree. Perhaps I was unclear, I shall bold the important sections

These are pretty similar. RC is a matrix action, so clearly it uses your Matrix Initiative and Matrix IPs. When in AR that is equal to your Meat IP (but not your Meat Initiative, you still use Matrix Initiative because that is explicit), because AR IPs = Meat IP. In Cold VR IPs = 2, in Hot VR, IPs = 3.

A hot-sim remote control TM will have 3 IPs (at least) and will mop the floor with a Jumped-In Rigger. The only things you want to jump-into are ones without Rigger Adaptations using the Mind Over Machine Advanced Echo.

Edit to fix bolding

[UmaroVI]

Ah, I think I understand the confusion.

You can Remote Control from either AR or VR. You can only Jump In in VR.

If your remote control from AR it is just like any other use of AR - you use your meat Ini/IP. If you remote control from VR, it is just like any other use of VR and you use your matrix ini/ip, and you get hot sim bonuses as appropriate.

[squee_nabob]

If you RC from AR, you use matrix init and meat IPs (because matrix IPs in AR is equal to meat IPs). Check the FAQ above for details.

[UmaroVI]

Huh, you are right. So AR = matrix init, meat IPs. VR = matrix init, matrix IPs. Either way, only AR remote control costs you IPs.

[Seeker]

So... an adept hacker that somehow eeks out 4 meat IPs is faster in AR than they are in VR?

I know you are better in VR than you are in AR, but that extra IP can make a world of difference, at least before Karma starts to build up.

[squee_nabob]

An adept hacker who has 4 meat IPs will cry themselves to sleep when a cyber’d hacker (who could also be an adept) shows up with a simsense accelerator, and a simsense booster (and didn’t pay 5 magic for it). 

That 4th matrix IP is trivial unless you are a TM, who has to spend an Echo on it. I’ve also never found 4 passes while rigging to be that necessary; usually by pass 3 you know who is going to win.

[Artighur]

Ah, I think I understand the confusion.

You can Remote Control from either AR or VR. You can only Jump In in VR.

If your remote control from AR it is just like any other use of AR - you use your meat Ini/IP. If you remote control from VR, it is just like any other use of VR and you use your matrix ini/ip, and you get hot sim bonuses as appropriate.

That is where I got mixed up Thanks a lot So yea basically there is no point of rigging a drone (or a vehicule) even as a hacker, command program is much easier to raise than Sensor or drone Response... That seems kinda odd but anyway !

Any idea that could help fix that ? I mean I really find odd that you are better at controlling the drone with a remote control than being the drone itself...

[UmaroVI]

As it stands I have never been able to build a jumped-in rigger that was better than a remote-control rigger.

The rules for the matrix and rigging in general are a complicated clusterfuck of poor design choices, and I would probably fix them by lighting it all on fire and making a new system entirely.

[Onion Man]

I just want to chime in here and confirm that Onion Man is, indeed, not humble.

Mac Davis said it best.

http://youtu.be/-07_2DWfEmQ

[Anela]

Okay here is my last attempt at building my darling character that I will now get to play

Sub-opimal I know but lets hope this works now.


Name: Anela
Race: Elf
Specialty: technomancer this is counted in with my points as a quality

B 3
A 3
R 2
C 7
Int 3
L 4
W 4
E 3
Res 6


Skills
Hardware 3
El Warfare 1
Compiling 4
Registering 4
Gunnery 4
Hacking
Software 4

Qualities
Paragon
Intuitive Hacking
Common Sense
Distinctive Style
Day Job (m)
Lost loved one (brother)
Poor self control (compulsive light)
Flashbacks (uncommon)

Forms all at a 6
Data Bomb
Stealth
Paladin
Scan
Analyze
Edit
Command
Encrypt

Registering sprites at gameplay

Gear
2 drones
HK PSG enforcer
Lots of toys!

I hope this is alright and looks good hopefully I didnt leave anything out.  hell I have een built her back story. Which is pretty sweet I have to say.

Thank you everyone

I forgot my stream which is Networkers.

[SwampFox]

I just want to chime in here and confirm that Onion Man is, indeed, not humble.

Mac Davis said it best.

http://youtu.be/-07_2DWfEmQ

Do you perchance have a second Username for your ego?

On a more related note, it may help to list out your total gear and costs, as well BP costs for everything.  I know in my case it helps me keep track of how much BP I've spent, and how much I've got left, giving me some wiggle room.