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Sengir

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« Reply #15 on: <09-03-11/0949:30> »
The Dragon skeleton and the secret first Mars landing are described in Missions (the book of that name, not the adventure series), Evo greening the planet is mentioned in Augmentation...could also be in Arsenal, not 100% sure. Finally, one of the intro fictions in Street Magic describes that enough vegetation can even create a manaspere on a space station.

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« Reply #16 on: <09-03-11/1023:56> »
Cool thanks.

If we put a manasphere there I fear for Horrors.

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« Reply #17 on: <09-03-11/1136:13> »
Yeah, the last thing we need is another "Ghosts of Mars" movie!
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« Reply #18 on: <09-03-11/1200:39> »
If we put a manasphere there I fear for Horrors.
I doubt the ersatz manasphere would exceed Earth's mana level, which is (and will be for another thousand years at least) too low for the Enemy to come over. But who knows, they are resourceful little buggers...and maybe CGL will revisit this old plot line some day, just like the are apparently doing right now with the "Ares and the Invae" story, which also was featured in Augmentation.

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« Reply #19 on: <09-03-11/1916:49> »
Wasn't Ares deliberately infesting guard animals with insect spirits?
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« Reply #20 on: <09-03-11/2305:49> »
Wasn't Ares deliberately infesting guard animals with insect spirits?
I can just see the Shadowrunners that deal with those "Guard Dogs"...

Gibbering madly in the corner, having flashbacks to Bug City, chanting, "I want to go back to dealing with Hellhounds, I want to go back to dealing with Hellhounds...  HELLHOUNDS ARE NICE!!!"

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Strangely, that sounds like me during one of my tech support flashbacks...
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« Reply #21 on: <09-04-11/0941:10> »
Yes, back in Threats or Threats 2 there was a bit showing how Ares was intentionally getting bug spirits to inhabit guard critters in order to get beefier security animals. They were using something like a captive nymph or queen, or they'd 'encouraged' an insect shaman or two to man up for the cause.
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« Reply #22 on: <09-04-11/1248:12> »
Threats 2 ;)

But that apparently was only the start, because in Augmentation we learn that the new CEO of Ares' medical service is a certain Theresa Montgomery...Readers of the novels should know that name...

She's a wasp host. And apparently Ares had some sudden success with their cybermancy program. Go figure...


There were some other hints spread over various books, and finally one of the short stories in Street Legends basically confirms Ares got more than they bargained for. If you dance with the devil, the devil don't change...

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« Reply #23 on: <09-04-11/1350:45> »
Also why Mr. Knight's stoic Indian buddy went "What the frag, White Man?  Slot this for a game of soldiers!" and left.
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« Reply #24 on: <09-22-11/1050:37> »
Interesting bit of info is that even today NASA speculates that some microbe life may exist on Mars.  If that were true in the Shadowrun universe then a very low level Giasphere could exist on Mars which could lead to all sorts of interesting tin foil hat shenanigans. 

The fact that the current CEO of Evo was on the space craft that vanished for six days just screams "Species 2."  If you have not seen the movie it is a "B" (possibly "C") movie that centers on earths first manned mission to Mars and what happens.  Strangely enough the returning ship suffers an unexplained communication blackout which the crew cannot explain.  They seem fine until they are released from observation at which point they turn out to be under the control of an alien species (read hostile spirits for the Shadowrun universe) and the insanity commences.

I hope someone picks up this story thread and runs with it as we could use another big metaplot nasty to replace the insect spirits as they have been kinda squished by "Bug City." 

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« Reply #25 on: <09-22-11/1639:34> »
Speaking of Mars and space, one day i want to play a mage character that uses Alter temperature, Levitate, Oxygenate, Earth Wall, some sort of pressure control spell, and a Magic of 13 or greater to get sucked into deep space and successfully make his way back to Earth and use the Earth Wall, Alter Temperature, and Levitate spells to survive atmospheric re-entry with a portable dome of hardened and cooled rock shielding him from the extreme heat.

The bad thing is, i worked out the formulas needed to make this work and have them stored somewhere in my Shadowrun folder. For when mason gets to Magic 14 or 15 and we have another space mission.

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« Reply #26 on: <09-22-11/1659:07> »
Speaking of Mars and space, one day i want to play a mage character that uses Alter temperature, Levitate, Oxygenate, Earth Wall, some sort of pressure control spell, and a Magic of 13 or greater to get sucked into deep space and successfully make his way back to Earth and use the Earth Wall, Alter Temperature, and Levitate spells to survive atmospheric re-entry with a portable dome of hardened and cooled rock shielding him from the extreme heat.

The bad thing is, i worked out the formulas needed to make this work and have them stored somewhere in my Shadowrun folder. For when mason gets to Magic 14 or 15 and we have another space mission.
So, a large power focus and several large sustaining foci then?

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« Reply #27 on: <09-22-11/1707:43> »
Most likely, though it can be done without the power focus. Seeing as Foci lose Force from background count the same way everything else does, the Force has got to be pretty up there!

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« Reply #28 on: <03-24-14/0823:31> »
First off, sorry for resurrecting this thread; it contained snippets of exactly what I wanted to talk about, however, and after actually using the search engine I didn't think starting a new topic was prudent.

With that being said; I have found some pretty glaring contradictions where Mars is concerned, and I'd like to discuss them to see what you all think. The main sources for info on what Evo is doing on Mars are Hazard Pay and Storm Front, while some information can be gleaned from the 2nd Edition book "Missions", the 3rd Edition book "State of the Art: 2064", and the 4th Edition books Sixth World Almanac (SWA from now on) and Corporate Guide.

I see three big disconnects between the two former and the latter.

1. SWA has the latest entry dated November 10th, 2072
2. SWA states that Gagarin base was renamed New Japan (date unknown)
3. SWA states that Evo CEO Anatoly Kirilenko was part of the first manned mission to Mars which first broadcast live footage from Mars in 2063. This is somewhat corroborated by Corporate Guide, which states that he was "the head of the very successful Mars mission" (p80) and that he "presided over the first successful mission to Mars" (p85).

The book publishing order (as far as I can tell, details on publishing is tricky as all get-out to find) is as follows:
2002-05-01 Missions (FAS7325)
2004-10-01 State of the Art: 2064 (FPR25004E)
2010-06-01 Corporate Guide (CAT26221)
2010-10-20 Sixth World Almanac (CAT26205)
2012-06-20 Hazard Pay (CAT26210)
2013-03-27 Storm Front (CAT26213)

Contradictions to the above:
1. The in-game dates of both Hazard Pay and Storm Front (2074-05-28 and 2075-01-18, respectively) indicate that some of the information in the earlier material has been retconned by these later publications, as I'm about to show.

2. Hazard Pay and Storm Front both make multiple references to Gagarin, and never once mention New Japan.

3. According to Hazard Pay, Evo had been working on plans for a manned mission to Mars since early 2063, and managed to capitalize on the chaos following Crash 2.0 by putting the first metahumans on the Red Planet in 2065. Roskosmos cosmonauts charted the future location of Gagarin base and conducted surveys and sample gathering, but all personnel from this first exploratory mission were reportedly lost when a Martian storm killed two crew members instantly and compromised the remaining cosmonauts' suits and craft.

So, we have one source (Corporate Guide) claiming that the first Mars mission took place in 2063, another (SWA) claiming that Anatoly Kirilenko was a part of this mission, and a third (Hazard Pay) claiming that the first manned mission to Mars took place in 2065 and that all crew members from this mission were lost.

Given the above, I'm inclined to believe that Evo CEO Anatoly Kirilenko was not in fact a member of the crew that went to Mars, and that the whole Valentina Tereshkova story (both it's mission and subsequent six-day disappearance) is a relic from previous writers/versions of canon. My guess is that Catalyst Game Labs decided to change the story regarding Mars, despite some of the groundwork that has been laid down in previous editions.

The events of the 2nd Edition book "Missions" (not to be confused with the living campaign) can be theorized to have been kept secret by AresSpace, at least according to canon, so it is fair to assume that both SWA and Hazard Pay are in fact erroneously referring to the 2063 and 2065 expeditions as the "first" manned mission to Mars; few if any 2074 in-universe characters would even be aware of Operation Discovery, and the subsequent Project Cydonia was largely lauded as a failure due to Veil tampering. I doubt that any in-game characters would be aware of the true story behind these two projects.

The only reference I've been able to find of an in-game character having accurate knowledge of the actual events in 2011 and 2042 is in State of the Art: 2064 where a user named MUFON Boy alludes to Operation Discovery being the first successful Mars Mission, a statement that is quickly dismissed as a myth by user Skywarp, with comparisons made to the infamous Area 51.

Conclusion:
It's hard to tell what the writers were intending when they rewrote the story of Evo CEO Anatoly Kirilenko; perhaps they decided to go with less of a "Mission to Mars" and/or "Species" themed storyline for what's going down on Mars. Evidence from Storm Front seems to corroborate this speculation, as at least some and perhaps all of the Gagarin base personnel seem to have been infected with Sybil. Of course, it's all-together possible that the writing staff was simply unaware of the fact that they were rewriting history.

So, if you've made it this far; what do you think?

[EDIT]
Writers for the books in question (in alphabetical order):

Mission: Mars section, Missions
Louis J. Prosperi (early layout and concept by Chris Hussey)

Culture Shock section, State of the Art: 2064
Antonio Pucci, Brian Cross, Drew Curtis, James Nugent, Jon Szeto, Jong-Won Kim, Joshua Powell, Malik Toms, Patrick Goodman, Peter Taylor, Rich Osterhout, Rob Boyle, Robert Derie, Sergio Puljdo, Stephan Meijerhof

Corporate Guide
Aaron Pavao, Adam Large, Andreas Schroth, Brandie Tarvin, Jason Hardy, Jennifer Harding, John Dunn, , Lars Blumenstein, Malik Toms, Mark Edwards, Michael Roesner, Tobias Wolter

Sixth World Almanac
David Hill, Filamena Young, Jason Hardy, , Jason Schmetzer, Jennifer Harding, John Dunn, John Helfers, John Schmidt, Ken Horner, Lars Blumenstein, Malik Toms, Marc Tassin, Michael Wich, Phaedra Weldon, Rusty Childers, Stephen McQuillan

Hazard Pay:
David Ellenberger, Jason M. Hardy, Michael Wich, R.J. Thomas, Robert Wieland

Storm Front:
Brandie Tarvin, Devon Oratz, Jason M. Hardy, Michael Wich, Patrick Goodman, Philip A. Lee, R.J. Thomas, Russell Zimmerman, Scott Schletz, Thomas Willoughby

As one can tell, there are few (if any) overlaps from the earlier 2nd and 3rd Edition books to the 4th Edition books (as can be expected).
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« Reply #29 on: <03-24-14/1156:06> »
Gonna have to look. BTW, sorry for that disappearing post, I've missed the second page at first, then, after noticing it, decided that it (my post) didn't make any sense in the context and erased it.