[ddgon]

I saw on these forms that some think adepts are weaker then cybered chars. But what about a Gun Bunny whos goal is to shoot things??

Also, is creating the char around just shooting a bad move? Like what else dose a high Agility leand it'self to?

Is Elf the best Gun Bunny race becuase of the Agility start at 2 with a cap of 7 (9)? 40 points for a 6 where as other races are stuck at 5 for that many points.

[Phylos Fett]

If you look around at some of the character builds here, the popular trend it to have the shooting arm a cyberlimb and to max it out, and leave the Agility as a dumpstat, as the Agility of the arm is what that matters for your shooting tests. Much cheap from a BP perspective.

[Medicineman]

Counterquestion:
In a Fight between Wolverine and Lobo (or Captain Amerika Vs Batman)Who would win ?

I really don't like those pure Min/Max Questions
You can make great Pistolero Adepts or Pistolero Streetsams
(@Phylos You can even make a  combination Pistolero Adept with a Cyberarm  )
A better Question would be:
 What do You want to play ?

Also, is creating the char around just shooting a bad move?

Yes,One-Trick-Ponies are boring !

with a better Dance
Medicineman
 

[Phylos Fett]

You can make great Pistolero Adepts or Pistolero Streetsams
(@Phylos You can even make a  combination Pistolero Adept with a Cyberarm  )

Yep - anyone with a decent cyberarm and a decent Pistol Skill can be a shooter.

Also, is creating the char around just shooting a bad move? Like what else dose a high Agility leand it'self to?

Agility can help you out with Melee, Throwing, and most Ranged Combat. Good for Infiltration, so he can be good at B&E and stealthy activities. He can also be good at Forgery. That's just for Agility.

So, a Cat Burglar/Art Thief that replaces the stuff that he steals with clever forgeries, that also happens to be good at shooting isn't a bad concept.

Being an Elf, you can also work on your Charisma skills and be quite the socialite to gain access to the rich and lazy.

Just a few thoughts.   

[Mäx]

If you look around at some of the character builds here, the popular trend it to have the shooting arm a cyberlimb and to max it out, and leave the Agility as a dumpstat, as the Agility of the arm is what that matters for your shooting tests. Much cheap from a BP perspective.

That might be good idea for non-combatants wanting to get "good" at shooting a pistol for cheap.
For a true gun bunny a maxed full body agility is much much better and not that expensive if you can fit 2 restricted gear qualities in your quality list for Muscle Toner 4 and Suprathyroid Gland you only need a natural agility of 5 to max agility as an elf.

[Phylos Fett]

If you look around at some of the character builds here, the popular trend it to have the shooting arm a cyberlimb and to max it out, and leave the Agility as a dumpstat, as the Agility of the arm is what that matters for your shooting tests. Much cheap from a BP perspective.

That might be good idea for non-combatants wanting to get "good" at shooting a pistol for cheap.
For a true gun bunny a maxed full body agility is much much better and not that expensive if you can fit 2 restricted gear qualities in your quality list for Muscle Toner 4 and Suprathyroid Gland you only need a natural agility of 5 to max agility as an elf.

The full body Agility is also good for the Cat Burglar/Art Thief that I described in my next post. If you were really keen, you could go for the Exceptional Attribute and Genetic Optimization options to kick that Agility through the roof, if you really wanted to, and wanted an insane amount of Agility.

[rasmusnicolaj]

And Surge II: Metagenetic Improvement.
Together with what Phylos suggest thats an unmodified Agility 10.

Rasmus

[Phylos Fett]

And Surge II: Metagenetic Improvement.
Together with what Phylos suggest thats an unodified Agility 10.

Rasmus

Yep. That'll get you well on your way to an Agility bunny!

[Zilfer]

If you look around at some of the character builds here, the popular trend it to have the shooting arm a cyberlimb and to max it out, and leave the Agility as a dumpstat, as the Agility of the arm is what that matters for your shooting tests. Much cheap from a BP perspective.

That might be good idea for non-combatants wanting to get "good" at shooting a pistol for cheap.
For a true gun bunny a maxed full body agility is much much better and not that expensive if you can fit 2 restricted gear qualities in your quality list for Muscle Toner 4 and Suprathyroid Gland you only need a natural agility of 5 to max agility as an elf.

The full body Agility is also good for the Cat Burglar/Art Thief that I described in my next post. If you were really keen, you could go for the Exceptional Attribute and Genetic Optimization options to kick that Agility through the roof, if you really wanted to, and wanted an insane amount of Agility.

I actually did this for one of my characters just for fun. I don't know if they'll see the light of day in the group I play but i got 13 agility  7 in pistols. (+2 heavy pistols) that makes 22, then I put smartlink on it for 24. Then I had found something to push it a little further to 27 I can't remember what it was at the moment however, I managed to get 33 dice with my edge of 6 added to it with an Elven Character. XD So with a rank 1 in other shooting abilities it's a base of 14 dice for anything agility related since i put at least a rank one in them all. With most of my Karma ate up at this point I pretty much proceeded to get some other skills to help me out socially wise and then bought his gear. It was.... interesting to say the least. I think if I ever play it however it will be fun. xD


Mine was SURGE II, and Acceptional Attribute, I may have to go back and look at this Genetic optimization however.... o.O Heh.... I'm guessing it's bioware though which will make things a bit difficult because I made the character also an adept with 6 magic and just put the increase attribute option. xD

[Valnar]

If you look around at some of the character builds here, the popular trend it to have the shooting arm a cyberlimb and to max it out, and leave the Agility as a dumpstat, as the Agility of the arm is what that matters for your shooting tests. Much cheap from a BP perspective.

That might be good idea for non-combatants wanting to get "good" at shooting a pistol for cheap.
For a true gun bunny a maxed full body agility is much much better and not that expensive if you can fit 2 restricted gear qualities in your quality list for Muscle Toner 4 and Suprathyroid Gland you only need a natural agility of 5 to max agility as an elf.

The full body Agility is also good for the Cat Burglar/Art Thief that I described in my next post. If you were really keen, you could go for the Exceptional Attribute and Genetic Optimization options to kick that Agility through the roof, if you really wanted to, and wanted an insane amount of Agility.

I actually did this for one of my characters just for fun. I don't know if they'll see the light of day in the group I play but i got 13 agility  7 in pistols. (+2 heavy pistols) that makes 22, then I put smartlink on it for 24. Then I had found something to push it a little further to 27 I can't remember what it was at the moment however, I managed to get 33 dice with my edge of 6 added to it with an Elven Character. XD So with a rank 1 in other shooting abilities it's a base of 14 dice for anything agility related since i put at least a rank one in them all. With most of my Karma ate up at this point I pretty much proceeded to get some other skills to help me out socially wise and then bought his gear. It was.... interesting to say the least. I think if I ever play it however it will be fun. xD


Mine was SURGE II, and Acceptional Attribute, I may have to go back and look at this Genetic optimization however.... o.O Heh.... I'm guessing it's bioware though which will make things a bit difficult because I made the character also an adept with 6 magic and just put the increase attribute option. xD

Did pretty much the same thing about a week or two ago, only that I gave him "heavy weapons" instead of "pistols". Add an Ingram White Knight with high velocity modification and some recoil compensation. Use tracers. Proceed to throw 25 (-uncompensated recoil x 2) dice in narrow FA bursts for 17P+net hits. Congrats, your enemies are now chunky salsa, and you didn't even have to use grenades. If you really want to you can also use stuff like APDS or Ex-Ex ammo, but that's just ridiculously expensive

[Zilfer]

Well then, that sounds crazy.

[UmaroVI]

Pure adept is very bad. Cyber only will let you make a character who is good at pistols, but not the absolute best, while also being good at other stuff. Cybered adept will let you make a character who is the best at pistols, at the cost of being less good at things that aren't pistols.

The advantage to using natural abilities, rather than a cyberarm of awesome, is that it lets you break the 20 dice cap (if that optional rule is being used) and be better at agility skills that don't just use one limb, like Infiltration.

Take a look at my sig and compare the Ghost (a cyber-only pistol specialist) to the Gunslinger (a cybered adept pistol specialist) for example.

[Glyph]

I find myself favoring mundanes for this kind of build.  There are so many ways to get your dice pool up, and the sole advantage of the adept is a net gain of 2 dice (improved ability goes up to 3, vs. reflex recorders which only give 1 point of improvement to a skill).  And this is assuming that the adept is an augmented one who has every advantage the mundane has, with improved ability added on top.  In the end, it will be having 25 dice instead of 23 dice, or something - while the mundane's superior breadth will give him a definite advantage.

Augmented adepts are a better idea for close combat, where their potential advantages are much more significant.

[Preacher]

Since all you really need is Improved Reflexes, especially if in a game using the cut-off rule of 20 dice in a dice pool, "pure" adepts work just fine.  You don't even need to invest in Improved Ability to hit that mark, though it certainly helps a bit.

Also, is creating the char around just shooting a bad move? Like what else dose a high Agility leand it'self to?

One trick ponies are usually a bad idea no matter what that one trick is. 

That said, screw the numbers.  Pick a race that you like.  Choose a role that you'll have fun playing.  Build a character from that.  So what if your dice pool is a couple points smaller than an "optimized" one?  It doesn't really matter in the end since 3 dice ~= 1 hit under most circumstances, meaning a variance of two or three dice isn't that big of a deal.  The game is about having fun with your character and, ideally, combat is a rare occurrence on most runs anyway.  Your better off having a well-rounded character than one who's only good at doing a single thing, and I guarantee that you'll have more fun playing a character you like rather than one that you put together just because it has slightly bigger numbers attached to it.

[Glyph]

On the high Agility question - Agility lends itself to a lot of other skills - infiltration, locksmith, gymnastics, palming, escape artist, and forgery - as you can see, there is a lot of synergy between a high Agility and sneaky/covert ops types.