[Kontact]

The Ares Alpha assault rifle.

I'd rather fire an AR one-handed at a -2 penalty than use a pistol.
(this is based on the original question clarifying to "what is most combat effective one handed weapon."  Obviously pistols have their place vis a vis concealability.)

[baronspam]

The Ares Alpha assault rifle.

I'd rather fire an AR one-handed at a -2 penalty than use a pistol.
(this is based on the original question clarifying to "what is most combat effective one handed weapon."  Obviously pistols have their place vis a vis concealability.)

It is very difficult to put an Ares Alpha in the pocket of your great coat and go for a drink at the bar.  If all you are concerned about is jumping out of the helo while screaming "get some", yes, the Alpha is your tool of choice.  Pistols are for when you want to go subtle.

[Chrona]

The Ares Alpha assault rifle.

I'd rather fire an AR one-handed at a -2 penalty than use a pistol.
(this is based on the original question clarifying to "what is most combat effective one handed weapon."  Obviously pistols have their place vis a vis concealability.)

See I thought you'd somehow modified one into heavy pistol size.

whew

[Henker]

The Ares Alpha assault rifle.

I'd rather fire an AR one-handed at a -2 penalty than use a pistol.
(this is based on the original question clarifying to "what is most combat effective one handed weapon."  Obviously pistols have their place vis a vis concealability.)

ambidexterity and 2 ares alpha will be even better. And you can use cancelled holsters with a lined coat to make the cancelability acceptable.
 

I am joking.
To be honest I don't think I would allow a character to use an assault rifle as his regular "pistol".
Less for game balance than for my personnal idea of what I want my game to looks like.
For me  an AR and most SMG are to be used 2 handed.

[JustADude]

Ambidexterity and 2 ares alpha will be even better. And you can use cancelled holsters with a lined coat to make the concealability acceptable.
 

I am joking.
To be honest I don't think I would allow a character to use an assault rifle as his regular "pistol".
Less for game balance than for my personnal idea of what I want my game to looks like.
For me  an AR and most SMG are to be used 2 handed.

One word for you: Trolls

First off, trolls average 2.5 meters, nearly 50% taller than a human, and mass four times as much, which I think is actually a bit light given how much broader they are for their height in the pictures than a human. Given their mass and their inhuman strength, a SMG or Assault Rifle with a Troll-Sized grip would be equivalent in bulk and kick to a Machine Pistol used by a Human.

The RAW already states they get -1 instead of -2 for using a two-hander one-handed, and I'd personally HR that the -1 would count as Recoil and could be removed with Recoil Comp.

[Henker]

Sure that Trolls can be an exception but nevertheless it really "disturb" me.
The balance of a rifle is not the same as for pistols... maybe with a customization of the rifle....

It can be fun for a "once upon a time big-apocalyptical-gun-justu-fight" or something like that, but as a GM I think I will frag the troll and his bins if  Ex-explosive AR ammo rounds

[JustADude]

Sure that Trolls can be an exception but nevertheless it really "disturb" me.
The balance of a rifle is not the same as for pistols... maybe with a customization of the rifle....

It can be fun for a "once upon a time big-apocalyptical-gun-justu-fight" or something like that, but as a GM I think I will frag the troll and his bins if  Ex-explosive AR ammo rounds

I figure the balance part is covered by Metahuman Customization having to effectively completely redesign the grip and trigger area and putting more weight back on that end. Plus, remember, they still do get a -1 penalty, so it's not like they get off scott free for doing it.

Secondly, my Troll uses APDS, not ExEx. His weapon is also Suppressed and has Electronic Firing. Caseless ammo, -9 to hear the shot, and no rifling on the bullets if/when they're recovered, because the disposable Sabot got the rifle pattern, and was destroyed as it exited the barrel. Very useful for a guy whose job description includes spraying vast amounts of lead.

Plus, if you do it that way, you only have to get each gun up to 5 points of recoil, which is much easier than 9, and you can fire two Long Bursts, one with each gun.

[Henker]

 
That is what is funny in the SR world, you can really meet any kind of characters.

I think I won't mind to introduce this kind of combo as an NPC in a specific scene, but I think that it will bother me to GM it if that is the usual combat mode of the character.
That's just a question of personal feeling.


I have played many trolls/large metas, and those who were using assault rifle or LMG always used them "two handed".

[DoomerEX]

What about Nartaki? Two LMGs at once with no one-handed penalties? Sign me up!

For even more crazy awesome, changeling troll with 4 arms and 4 Assault Rifles. Sure, you have to split your pool, but if you can pull off a large enough dice pool to hit with long bursts, you can take down four enemies in a single initiative pass. Someone get an optimisation master on this ASAP.

[Medicineman]

....oO(there's been a terrifying 4 Armed Troll on Dumpschock.... IIRC with 2 or 4 Miniguns.....)

with a thoughtfull Dance
Medicineman

[CanRay]

....oO(there's been a terrifying 4 Armed Troll on Dumpschock.... IIRC with 2 or 4 Miniguns.....)

with a thoughtfull Dance
Medicineman

And he's still not as scary as Bubba The Love Troll. 

[Zilfer]

*Sparks with electricity between hands and surrounding him as he prepares to over cast....

Scythe: You got that right.... Raikiri! (centering i have to say my spells in japanese )

*Throws F14 lightning ball*

ouch... that's 12 Drain more than my health.... time to edge my drain dice pool of 12 to 18, and then get a lucky ass roll! XD (got to love when your dice pool makes enough sixes to turn your whole dice pool into all fives and sixes to where you have to start adding dice xd)

.... *mutters*  Force halved, counterspelling, shielding ... hmmm ... can I ignore this?

That's still a F7 coming your way and with Edge..... no you can't especially with my luck. xD

[DeadLogic]

Made a Merc who would have 3 Browning Ultra-Power's strapped to his lower back because it was "more compact than the predator" (we tend to play off the description as much as the stats), but always had a custom Ruger Super Warhawk on his hip (Semi-Automatic) to quick draw and lay down the law if (and when) meets went sour.

my 2 cents.

[CanRay]

Magazines are smaller than pistols.  Better one or two Ultra-Powers and six spare mags.

*Sighs*  Clips.   

[Tonatiuh]

I haven't been on this thread in forever.... Haha. Btw, is there a way to remove my little poll at the top?