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nsweeney

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« on: <11-04-11/1351:31> »
Any help or ideas would be greatly appreciated. 

== Info ==
Street Name: Debbin
Name: Steve Morris
Karma: 0
Street Cred: 0
Notoriety: 0
Public Awareness: 0
Human Male Age 23
Height 185cm Weight 85kg
Composure: 8
Judge Intentions: 11
Lift/Carry: 7 (45 kg/30 kg)
Memory: 6
Nuyen: 0

== Attributes ==
BOD: 4
AGI: 4
REA: 3
STR: 3
CHA: 5
INT: 3
LOG: 3
WIL: 3
EDG: 3
MAG: 6

== Derived Attributes ==
Essence:                   6
Initiative:                6
IP:                        1
Astral Initiative:         6
Astral IP:                 3
Matrix Initiative:         6
Matrix IP:                 1
Physical Damage Track:     10
Stun Damage Track:         10

== Active Skills ==
Animal Handling            : 0                      Pool: 2
Animal Training            : 0                      Pool: 2
Archery                    : 0                      Pool: 3
Armorer                    : 0                      Pool: 2
Artisan                    : 0                      Pool: 2
Automatics                 : 3 [Assault Rifles]     Pool: 7 (9)
Blades                     : 3 [Knives]             Pool: 7 (9)
Climbing                   : 0                      Pool: 2
Clubs                      : 0                      Pool: 3
Computer                   : 0                      Pool: 2
Con                        : 4                      Pool: 14
Cybercombat                : 0                      Pool: 2
Data Search                : 0                      Pool: 2
Demolitions                : 0                      Pool: 2
Disguise                   : 0                      Pool: 2
Diving                     : 0                      Pool: 3
Dodge                      : 3 [Ranged Combat]      Pool: 6 (8)
Escape Artist              : 0                      Pool: 3
Etiquette                  : 4                      Pool: 14
First Aid                  : 0                      Pool: 2
Flight                     : 0                      Pool: 2
Forgery                    : 0                      Pool: 3
Gunnery                    : 0                      Pool: 3
Gymnastics                 : 0                      Pool: 3
Hacking                    : 0                      Pool: 2
Hardware                   : 3 [Maglocks]           Pool: 6 (8)
Heavy Weapons              : 0                      Pool: 3
Infiltration               : 3                      Pool: 7
Instruction                : 0                      Pool: 4
Intimidation               : 0                      Pool: 4
Leadership                 : 4                      Pool: 14
Locksmith                  : 0                      Pool: 3
Longarms                   : 0                      Pool: 3
Navigation                 : 0                      Pool: 2
Negotiation                : 4                      Pool: 14
Palming                    : 0                      Pool: 3
Parachuting                : 0                      Pool: 3
Perception                 : 3                      Pool: 6
Pilot Ground Craft         : 1 [Bike]               Pool: 4 (6)
Pilot Watercraft           : 0                      Pool: 2
Pistols                    : 0                      Pool: 3
Riding                     : 0                      Pool: 2
Running                    : 0                      Pool: 2
Shadowing                  : 0                      Pool: 2
Survival                   : 0                      Pool: 2
Swimming                   : 0                      Pool: 2
Throwing Weapons           : 0                      Pool: 3
Tracking                   : 0                      Pool: 2
Unarmed Combat             : 0                      Pool: 3

== Knowledge Skills ==
Cantonese                  : 1                      Pool: 4
English                    : N                      Pool: 0
Fine Cuisine               : 1                      Pool: 4
Fine Wines                 : 2                      Pool: 5
Italian                    : 1                      Pool: 4
Japanese                   : 1                      Pool: 4
Mandarin                   : 1                      Pool: 4
Or'zet                     : 1                      Pool: 4
Security Design            : 3                      Pool: 6
Security Tactics           : 2 [Lone Star]          Pool: 5 (7)
Shadow Community           : 2 [Safe Houses]        Pool: 5 (7)
Sperethiel                 : 1                      Pool: 4

== Contacts ==
Fixer (3, 3)

== Qualities ==
Addiction (Mild) (Alcohol)
Adept
Combat Paralysis
First Impression
Linguist
Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD)

== Powers ==
Commanding Voice
Improved Ability (Non-Combat) (Con) Rating: 2
Improved Ability (Non-Combat) (Etiquette) Rating: 2
Improved Ability (Non-Combat) (Leadership) Rating: 2
Improved Ability (Non-Combat) (Negotiation) Rating: 2
Kinesics Rating: 3
Mystic Armor Rating: 4

== Armor ==
Armor Jacket              8/6
Camouflage Suit           8/6
Chameleon Suit            6/4

== Weapons ==
Cougar Fineblade Knife, Long
   DV: 4P   AP: -1   RC: 0
Cougar Fineblade Knife, Short
   DV: 3P   AP: -1   RC: 0
Katana
   DV: 5P   AP: -1   RC: 0
Nitama Optimum II
   +Shock Pad
   +Sound Suppressor
   +Spare Clips
   +Spare Clips
   +Spare Clips
   +Stock
   +Gas Vent 3
   +Smartgun System
   +Underbarrel Weight, Auto-Adjusting
   DV: 6P   AP: -1   RC: 5
Unarmed Attack
   DV: 2S   AP: -   RC: 0

== Commlink ==
Novatech Airware (3, 4, 3, 3)
   +Novatech Navi

== Gear ==
Ammo: Regular Ammo (Assault Rifles) x300
Autopicker Rating 6
Contact Lenses Rating 3
   +Smartlink
   +Thermographic
   +Vision Enhancement Rating 3
Fake License (Rufus Dela'Croix (Assault Rifle)) Rating 4
Fake License (Pamani St. James (Assault Rifle)) Rating 4
Fake SIN (Rufus Dela'Croix) Rating 4
Fake SIN (Pamani St. James) Rating 4
Gas Mask
Lockpick Set
Maglock Passkey Rating 4
Respirator Rating 6
Sequencer Rating 4
Survival Kit
Wire Clippers

== Vehicles ==
Harley-Davidson Scorpion (Chopper)
   +Vehicle Sensor
« Last Edit: <11-04-11/1403:52> by nsweeney »
The beatings will continue until morale improves.

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« Reply #1 on: <11-04-11/1355:31> »
One contact and no knowledge skills makes for a very poor face.
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nsweeney

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« Reply #2 on: <11-04-11/1412:59> »
Forgot to add the knowledge skills and added a few more contacts

== Info ==
Street Name: Debbin
Name: Steve Morris
Karma: 0
Street Cred: 0
Notoriety: 0
Public Awareness: 0
Human Male Age 23
Height 185cm Weight 85kg
Composure: 8
Judge Intentions: 11
Lift/Carry: 7 (45 kg/30 kg)
Memory: 6
Nuyen: 0

== Attributes ==
BOD: 4
AGI: 4
REA: 3
STR: 3
CHA: 5
INT: 3
LOG: 3
WIL: 3
EDG: 3
MAG: 5

== Derived Attributes ==
Essence:                   6
Initiative:                6
IP:                        1
Astral Initiative:         6
Astral IP:                 3
Matrix Initiative:         6
Matrix IP:                 1
Physical Damage Track:     10
Stun Damage Track:         10

== Active Skills ==
Animal Handling            : 0                      Pool: 2
Animal Training            : 0                      Pool: 2
Archery                    : 0                      Pool: 3
Armorer                    : 0                      Pool: 2
Artisan                    : 0                      Pool: 2
Automatics                 : 3 [Assault Rifles]     Pool: 7 (9)
Blades                     : 3 [Knives]             Pool: 7 (9)
Climbing                   : 0                      Pool: 2
Clubs                      : 0                      Pool: 3
Computer                   : 0                      Pool: 2
Con                        : 4                      Pool: 14
Cybercombat                : 0                      Pool: 2
Data Search                : 0                      Pool: 2
Demolitions                : 0                      Pool: 2
Disguise                   : 0                      Pool: 2
Diving                     : 0                      Pool: 3
Dodge                      : 3 [Ranged Combat]      Pool: 6 (8)
Escape Artist              : 0                      Pool: 3
Etiquette                  : 4                      Pool: 14
First Aid                  : 0                      Pool: 2
Flight                     : 0                      Pool: 2
Forgery                    : 0                      Pool: 3
Gunnery                    : 0                      Pool: 3
Gymnastics                 : 0                      Pool: 3
Hacking                    : 0                      Pool: 2
Hardware                   : 3 [Maglocks]           Pool: 6 (8)
Heavy Weapons              : 0                      Pool: 3
Infiltration               : 3                      Pool: 7
Instruction                : 0                      Pool: 4
Intimidation               : 0                      Pool: 4
Leadership                 : 4                      Pool: 14
Locksmith                  : 0                      Pool: 3
Longarms                   : 0                      Pool: 3
Navigation                 : 0                      Pool: 2
Negotiation                : 4                      Pool: 14
Palming                    : 0                      Pool: 3
Parachuting                : 0                      Pool: 3
Perception                 : 3                      Pool: 6
Pilot Ground Craft         : 1                      Pool: 4
Pilot Watercraft           : 0                      Pool: 2
Pistols                    : 0                      Pool: 3
Riding                     : 0                      Pool: 2
Running                    : 0                      Pool: 2
Shadowing                  : 0                      Pool: 2
Survival                   : 0                      Pool: 2
Swimming                   : 0                      Pool: 2
Throwing Weapons           : 0                      Pool: 3
Tracking                   : 0                      Pool: 2
Unarmed Combat             : 0                      Pool: 3

== Knowledge Skills ==
Cantonese                  : 1                      Pool: 4
English                    : N                      Pool: 0
Fine Cuisine               : 1                      Pool: 4
Fine Wines                 : 2                      Pool: 5
Italian                    : 1                      Pool: 4
Japanese                   : 1                      Pool: 4
Mandarin                   : 1                      Pool: 4
Or'zet                     : 1                      Pool: 4
Security Design            : 3                      Pool: 6
Security Tactics           : 2 [Lone Star]          Pool: 5 (7)
Shadow Community           : 2 [Safe Houses]        Pool: 5 (7)
Sperethiel                 : 1                      Pool: 4

== Contacts ==
Fence (3, 3)
Fixer (3, 3)
Hacker (3 (9), 3)
Mr. Johnson (3, 3)

== Qualities ==
Addiction (Mild) (Alcohol)
Adept
Combat Paralysis
First Impression
Linguist
Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD)

== Powers ==
Commanding Voice
Improved Ability (Non-Combat) (Con) Rating: 2
Improved Ability (Non-Combat) (Etiquette) Rating: 2
Improved Ability (Non-Combat) (Leadership) Rating: 2
Improved Ability (Non-Combat) (Negotiation) Rating: 2
Kinesics Rating: 3
Linguistics
Mystic Armor Rating: 2

== Armor ==
Armor Jacket              8/6
Camouflage Suit           8/6
Chameleon Suit            6/4

== Weapons ==
Cougar Fineblade Knife, Long
   DV: 4P   AP: -1   RC: 0
Cougar Fineblade Knife, Short
   DV: 3P   AP: -1   RC: 0
Katana
   DV: 5P   AP: -1   RC: 0
Nitama Optimum II
   +Shock Pad
   +Sound Suppressor
   +Spare Clips
   +Spare Clips
   +Spare Clips
   +Stock
   +Gas Vent 3
   +Smartgun System
   +Underbarrel Weight, Auto-Adjusting
   DV: 6P   AP: -1   RC: 5
Unarmed Attack
   DV: 2S   AP: -   RC: 0

== Commlink ==
Novatech Airware (3, 4, 3, 3)
   +Novatech Navi

== Gear ==
Ammo: Regular Ammo (Assault Rifles) x300
Autopicker Rating 6
Contact Lenses Rating 3
   +Smartlink
   +Thermographic
   +Vision Enhancement Rating 3
Fake License (Rufus Dela'Croix (Assault Rifle)) Rating 4
Fake License (Pamani St. James (Assault Rifle)) Rating 4
Fake SIN (Rufus Dela'Croix) Rating 4
Fake SIN (Pamani St. James) Rating 4
Gas Mask
Lockpick Set
Maglock Passkey Rating 4
Respirator Rating 6
Sequencer Rating 4
Survival Kit
Wire Clippers

== Vehicles ==
Harley-Davidson Scorpion (Chopper)
   +Vehicle Sensor
The beatings will continue until morale improves.

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« Reply #3 on: <11-04-11/1420:43> »
Remember that social skills are limited by language. Meaning that even if you have a Rating 6 Negotiation, if you only have Rating 1 in the language, you're limited to rating 1 for the skill.
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« Reply #4 on: <11-04-11/1456:05> »
I know, yet for some reason even with the quality of Linguistics it doesn't add the +2 to my language skills, so it should be a 3 there, so only 1 die short of my normal pool.
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« Reply #5 on: <11-04-11/2047:53> »
This character is mostly good at Face, although you're missing Tailored Pheremones; they're worth more than what you'd have to give up from your adept powers for the essence loss. I would note that you aren't really any good at anything besides talking, but you spent a lot of points on it. You'd be better off picking up Tailored Pheremones, some minor combat boosts, tossing Blades, and just being good with Automatics.

Might I suggest checking out the somewhat-similar Negotiator archetype from my sig?

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« Reply #6 on: <11-04-11/2150:33> »
Umaro brings up a good point. In any runner, you want to have an area you specialize in, and then have a couple areas where you're good/passable. For instance, a rigger who can also hack, and maybe handle the grenade launcher, or the magician who can sling mojo with the best of them, call on spirits, and is a crack investigator. The reason for this is simple. Sometimes, the gunbunny will be down, or simply not where you are. In those situations, your face will want to be slightly more effective in combat than Zelda in the Legend of Zelda games.
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« Reply #7 on: <11-05-11/0541:16> »
I'd drop the camouflage suit, as it's a bit redundant with your chamleion suit, and use the money saved to add non-conductive or fireproof to the armor you see yourself using more or buying some low profile armor.

Your rocking 1 Initiative Pass right now. You could try and find the points for the adept Improved Reflexes power, or you could invest in a stash of drugs that boost IP and let you keep up, you really only need 2 to get by. Otherwise you are acutely a decent shooter. 11 dice with the smartlink will put the bullets more or less where they need to be save for Combat Paralysis, something that could really bite you on the ass with how fast combat goes in SR.

You might want to pick up a medkit.

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« Reply #8 on: <11-05-11/0654:57> »
You mightdefinitely want to pick up a medkit.
Fixed that for you. Every character needs either a medkit or a contract with DocWagon (or whoever the local provider is).

I agree with the point on IPs. Even if you just get one extra pass, that'll put you in a better position to not die. Hackers/technos can get away with the 1 IP if they're sitting in the van, working through drones or the Matrix. A face has to be out in front, which means you're going to be there when lead starts flying. Get a second IP, definitely.
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« Reply #9 on: <11-05-11/1234:14> »
Ok, took some of the advice from above and remade character.  How does it look now?

== Info ==
Street Name:
Name: Unnamed Character
Karma: 0
Street Cred: 0
Notoriety: 0
Public Awareness: 0
Human
Composure: 8
Judge Intentions: 11
Lift/Carry: 7 (45 kg/30 kg)
Memory: 6
Nuyen: 0

== Attributes ==
BOD: 4
AGI: 4
REA: 3 (4)
STR: 3
CHA: 5
INT: 3
LOG: 3
WIL: 3
EDG: 3
MAG: 4

== Derived Attributes ==
Essence:                   5.0
Initiative:                6 (7)
IP:                        1 (2)
Astral Initiative:         6
Astral IP:                 3
Matrix Initiative:         6
Matrix IP:                 1
Physical Damage Track:     10
Stun Damage Track:         10

== Active Skills ==
Animal Handling            : 0                      Pool: 2
Animal Training            : 0                      Pool: 2
Archery                    : 0                      Pool: 3
Armorer                    : 0                      Pool: 2
Artisan                    : 0                      Pool: 2
Automatics                 : 4 [Assault Rifles]     Pool: 8 (10)
Blades                     : 1                      Pool: 5
Climbing                   : 0                      Pool: 2
Clubs                      : 0                      Pool: 3
Computer                   : 0                      Pool: 2
Con                        : 4                      Pool: 15
Cybercombat                : 0                      Pool: 2
Data Search                : 0                      Pool: 2
Demolitions                : 0                      Pool: 2
Disguise                   : 0                      Pool: 2
Diving                     : 0                      Pool: 3
Dodge                      : 3                      Pool: 7
Escape Artist              : 0                      Pool: 3
Etiquette                  : 4                      Pool: 15
First Aid                  : 0                      Pool: 2
Flight                     : 0                      Pool: 2
Forgery                    : 0                      Pool: 3
Gunnery                    : 0                      Pool: 3
Gymnastics                 : 0                      Pool: 3
Hacking                    : 0                      Pool: 2
Hardware                   : 4 [Maglocks]           Pool: 7 (9)
Heavy Weapons              : 0                      Pool: 3
Infiltration               : 4                      Pool: 8
Instruction                : 0                      Pool: 4
Intimidation               : 0                      Pool: 4
Leadership                 : 4                      Pool: 15
Locksmith                  : 1                      Pool: 5
Longarms                   : 0                      Pool: 3
Navigation                 : 0                      Pool: 2
Negotiation                : 4                      Pool: 15
Palming                    : 0                      Pool: 3
Parachuting                : 0                      Pool: 3
Perception                 : 3                      Pool: 6
Pilot Ground Craft         : 0                      Pool: 3
Pilot Watercraft           : 0                      Pool: 3
Pistols                    : 0                      Pool: 3
Riding                     : 0                      Pool: 3
Running                    : 0                      Pool: 2
Shadowing                  : 0                      Pool: 2
Survival                   : 0                      Pool: 2
Swimming                   : 0                      Pool: 2
Throwing Weapons           : 0                      Pool: 3
Tracking                   : 0                      Pool: 2
Unarmed Combat             : 0                      Pool: 3

== Knowledge Skills ==
Cantonese                  : 2                      Pool: 6
English                    : N                      Pool: 0
Italian                    : 2                      Pool: 6
Japanese                   : 2                      Pool: 6
Mandarin                   : 2                      Pool: 6
Or'zet                     : 2                      Pool: 6
Politics                   : 2 [Corporate]          Pool: 5 (7)
Security Design            : 3                      Pool: 6
Security Tactics           : 3                      Pool: 6
Shadow Community           : 2 [Safe Houses]        Pool: 5 (7)
Sperethiel                 : 2                      Pool: 6

== Contacts ==
(2, 2)
Fence (2, 2)
Fixer (2, 2)
Hacker (2, 2)

== Qualities ==
Adept
Combat Paralysis
Linguist
Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD)
The Speaker's Way

== Powers ==
Improved Reflexes 1
Kinesics Rating: 3
Linguistics
Mystic Armor Rating: 2

== Cyberware/Bioware ==
Cyberears Rating 3
   +Ear Recording Unit
   +Sound Link
   +Balance Augmenter
   +Damper
   +Select Sound Filter Rating 3
   +Spatial Recognizer
   +Audio Enhancement Rating 2
Cybereyes Basic System Rating 2
   +Eye Recording Unit
   +Image Link
   +Smartlink
   +Flare Compensation
   +Thermographic Vision
   +Vision Enhancement Rating 2
Tailored Pheromones Rating 3

== Armor ==
Armor Jacket              8/6
Camouflage Suit           8/6

== Weapons ==
Ares Alpha
   +Spare Clips
   +Spare Clips
   +Spare Clips
   +Spare Clips
   +Spare Clips
   +Spare Clips
   +Speed Loader
   +Gas Vent 3
   +Personalized Grip
   +Smartgun System
   +Sound Suppressor
   DV: 6P   AP: -1   RC: 6
Cougar Fineblade Knife, Long
   DV: 4P   AP: -1   RC: 0
Cougar Fineblade Knife, Short
   DV: 3P   AP: -1   RC: 0
Unarmed Attack
   DV: 2S   AP: -   RC: 0

== Commlink ==
Novatech Airware (3, 4, 3, 3)
   +Novatech Navi

== Gear ==
Ammo: EX-Explosive Rounds (Assault Rifles) x210
Ammo: Regular Ammo (Assault Rifles) x420
Autopicker Rating 6
Fake License (Automatic Rifle (Pamani Dela'Croix)) Rating 4
Fake SIN (Pamani Dela'Croix) Rating 4
Gas Mask
Lockpick Set
Maglock Passkey Rating 4
Medkit Rating 6
Respirator Rating 6
Sequencer Rating 4
Survival Kit
Wire Clippers
The beatings will continue until morale improves.

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« Reply #10 on: <11-05-11/1307:40> »
I know, yet for some reason even with the quality of Linguistics it doesn't add the +2 to my language skills, so it should be a 3 there, so only 1 die short of my normal pool.
The quality doesn't mention it, but language skill are limited to same augmented max as other skills(1,5 times the current skill rating), so by RAW you need a rating 2 in a language skill to get any befit from linguistics and rating 4 to get the full +2.
I personally think linguistics should be limited by augmented skill max, but by RAW it is as the quality doesn't have any mention of it not being.
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« Reply #11 on: <11-05-11/1700:04> »
"A character with this quality has a natural gift for learning and understanding languages, grasping vocabulary and grammar much more quickly than others would. This quality halves the basic learning time for a language and modifies the rating of any language skill the character possesses by +2."  That is what the quality linguistics gives.

According to the book: Some implants and magic, as noted in their descriptions, may increase the actual skill, creating a modified skill
rating, whereas others may simply provide bonus dice to the test (and do not affect the base rating at all). Note that the modified rating is used when calculating costs to improve the skill. The maximum modified rating allowed is 1.5 times the natural rating (making 9 the maximum achievable, or 10 with the Aptitude quality).
  I would argue that because the book says implants and magic, the quality linguistics doesn't count for the 1.5x rule.
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« Reply #12 on: <11-05-11/1704:47> »
"A character with this quality has a natural gift for learning and understanding languages, grasping vocabulary and grammar much more quickly than others would. This quality halves the basic learning time for a language and modifies the rating of any language skill the character possesses by +2."  That is what the quality linguistics gives.

According to the book: Some implants and magic, as noted in their descriptions, may increase the actual skill, creating a modified skill
rating, whereas others may simply provide bonus dice to the test (and do not affect the base rating at all). Note that the modified rating is used when calculating costs to improve the skill. The maximum modified rating allowed is 1.5 times the natural rating (making 9 the maximum achievable, or 10 with the Aptitude quality).
  I would argue that because the book says implants and magic, the quality linguistics doesn't count for the 1.5x rule.

I would concur.  Qualities do not count towards augmentation maxes.
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« Reply #13 on: <11-06-11/0025:18> »
The rule in question was written before they had those Runner's Companion qualities that could raise skills, so the omission may not be that significant.  In several qualities, they specifically cite the augmented cap.  In linguist, they don't.   So either they only meant it to apply to certain qualities, and not others, or they meant it to apply as an overall rule, and only mentioned it for some of them due to sloppy writing/editing.  Ultimately, the GM of this particular game will be the one deciding the issue.

On the overall character - Attributes and skills are not bad, it's just the adept powers that are a bit hyper-focused.  I would consider replacing all of the improved abilities with, perhaps, improved reflexes: 1, agility boost: 1, and an improved sense.  UmaroVI is right that tailored pheromones (and bioware in general) give enough of a boost to be worth the Magic loss.  The only problem will be finding the resources to get them.  But alphaware tailored pheromones: 3 and a synaptic booster: 1 (one example) will give you +3 to social skills, +1 Reaction, and +1 initiative pass.  That's the same as kinesics: 3 and improved reflexes: 1, which would normally cost 3 power points.

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« Reply #14 on: <11-06-11/1117:26> »
"A character with this quality has a natural gift for learning and understanding languages, grasping vocabulary and grammar much more quickly than others would. This quality halves the basic learning time for a language and modifies the rating of any language skill the character possesses by +2."  That is what the quality linguistics gives.

According to the book: Some implants and magic, as noted in their descriptions, may increase the actual skill, creating a modified skill
rating, whereas others may simply provide bonus dice to the test (and do not affect the base rating at all). Note that the modified rating is used when calculating costs to improve the skill. The maximum modified rating allowed is 1.5 times the natural rating (making 9 the maximum achievable, or 10 with the Aptitude quality).
  I would argue that because the book says implants and magic, the quality linguistics doesn't count for the 1.5x rule.
The second quote was written before the quality in question even existed and the quality itself very clearly says it raises the rating of the language skills(instead of giving a dicepool bonus), so yes it really does count for the augmented max.
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