[Namikaze]

So at the end of the day, dragon's are cheaters, and do whatever they want, even after they die.

Yeah, Dragons are the big Deus Ex Machina for the Shadowrun world.  But we love that about them. 

[Eurydice]

Dragons lacking a body have to fade sometime. right? Even if it takes years? Like when a wiz dies and their astral form only sticks around for a few hours after?

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

That would match with the current rules, but realize that sometime before the end of the 4th World, 5000+ years ago, Ghostwalker appears to have seperated from his body and gone into the metaplanes, and did not return until 2060 (2061? whichever).  While Nath's quote would suggest there was some specific, unique, and very powerful magic at work, this would have to be seriously powerful to hold the two alive-but-separate not only for such a long time, but also despite an entire down-cycle's worth of lack-of-magic - including the absolute nadir times, 2500 years back.

[Crimsondude]

Dunkelzhn, Zebulon, and Ghostwalker all basically ended up on extended Metaplanar quests. They could only do so because they had anchors to the meatworld: the Dragonheart, the souls stones, and Ghostwalker's body respectively. That is something dragons can do that metahumans cannot, owing, it would seem, to apocryphally spiritual origins. Lofwyr did the same thing in Ragnarock when he anchored his spirit to Tommy Talon to make Alamais think the golden wyrm was dead.

I'm not privy to all the details about Feuerschwinge (and even if I were, I wouldn't tell you), but as I recall the German government never recovered her remains. It's also been established that radiation and mana have unusual interactions, to say the least. I suppose it is not purely coincidental that when Pegasus translated Street Legends, two of the four entries they added were for Kaltenstein and Nebelherr, the two Great Dragons that were present along with Lofwyr when Feuerschwinge died.

[Eurydice]

So why couldn't a mage tie his 'essence' temporarily to an item and then untie it? That would make for safer and longer astral projection with enough resources.   

[Crimsondude]

Well, metaplanar travel works differently that normal astral projection. That said,

Together they enchanted a set of powerful soul-stones, similar to those used by the nethermancers of the Hold of Courage in ancient Cara Fahd, so tha if one should die, their spirit would remain trapped within the stone.

This suggests that it's possible, but the knowledge is lost to metahumans.

[Eurydice]

I think it would make an interesting incentive for a wiz if someone offered to teach them how to. I'm sure Aztechnology or certain dragons would be willing to give it to someone for a very high price. 

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

And just as soon as someone ICly figures out how to do that ...

[Crimsondude]

There is one person who may know.

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

Renegade, what in the world makes you think Aztechnology would know how?  Great dragons, sure - immortal elves, sure.  Aztechnology???

[Crimsondude]

Aztechnology wouldn't. Those (formerly) within it might.

Technically, this is true given Dunkelzahn's apparent knowledge and his seat on the board.

[Eurydice]

Ghostwalker would be my first choice though. Can you still talk ask him a question if you bring a worthy enough gift?
Aztechnology has Nethermancers right? They would know.

[Michael Chandra]

I'm not privy to all the details about Feuerschwinge (and even if I were, I wouldn't tell you), but as I recall the German government never recovered her remains. It's also been established that radiation and mana have unusual interactions, to say the least. I suppose it is not purely coincidental that when Pegasus translated Street Legends, two of the four entries they added were for Kaltenstein and Nebelherr, the two Great Dragons that were present along with Lofwyr when Feuerschwinge died.

Man now I want to read that, Kaltenstein is Kalanyr's father right, or am I recalling that wrong?

As for miss Fire Lady, she's in SRR and stuff happens, not sure if it's 100% canon.

[Crimsondude]

I'm not privy to all the details about Feuerschwinge (and even if I were, I wouldn't tell you), but as I recall the German government never recovered her remains. It's also been established that radiation and mana have unusual interactions, to say the least. I suppose it is not purely coincidental that when Pegasus translated Street Legends, two of the four entries they added were for Kaltenstein and Nebelherr, the two Great Dragons that were present along with Lofwyr when Feuerschwinge died.

Man now I want to read that, Kaltenstein is Kalanyr's father right, or am I recalling that wrong?

It doesn't mention Kalanyr.

[Michael Chandra]

That's okay, I just want to know more about the guy that some rumor Kalanyr was originally prepping his lands in Seattle for. I'll go bug Sangius about it.