[Sichr]

Sorry, I know I may be a bit annoying. This habbit seems to get over my head (playing PbP on forums, not to be annoying) (Media Junkie - Severe IMO...
And TBH, the only way to keep myself at lesast a bit in good condition, I found it necessary to stick to the rules...i.e. in UrbanBrawl, Inca is very strict about every detail in combat, and forgetting something always leads to some painfull consequences...and Im not talking about that hungarian I had a conflict before and a new GM, Forged...If every game has its own set of house rules and every GM treats things differently, Ill very soon find myself in some kind of sanitarium...offline :O

[Sichr]

BTW..this is pure evil for 1IP characters...since 3 IP character can fire 6 times on him...that means -5 for the last shot...1IP character spends 2 IPs just gaining additional negative mod for defense, so with reaction 5 he is automaticaly hit with las bullet (if atacker succeeds in roll)

[Sentinemodo]

Chill.
The reason we are still TR 2 (second easiest) is that I don't know the rules, but I'm learning. And we'll be soon moving to TR 3, and then I'll show you.

[Larzarus]

Larz. there are no forms of ranged attack in astral other then mana spells (which on it's own is a conflicting rule IMO).
Thus there is no matter of range only LOS.

However, you might fly over the chamber wall to the living room chamber, the wall will make an opaque barrier between you, breaking the LOS.

Can Lips fly directly to the left (e.g. to the left door between bed and living room), without any walls or obstacles in his LOS to the spirit. And if so, what would the BC be there?

You can fly into the doors, the BC there would be 1. as range combat is impossible. It would be either that you go to attack him (BC 3) or he goes and attack you (BC 1).
Since he materialized in physical now, he won't be attacking you this turn.

I am not sure if you can attack dual natured (spirit materialized are dual natured I think) from astral. But I am assuming so.

Why is ranged combat impossible there? Lips uses mana bolts and not astral combat.

[Sentinemodo]

I don't really know. this part is not even slightly confusing, and hasn't been much more clear after street magic.

Astral Com bat
Astral combat is resolved in the same way as physical combat. Astrally
perceiving and dual-natured characters use their Physical attributes
and skills to fight opponents with a physical body, and their Astral
Combat + Willpower to fight wholly astral entities. Astrally projecting
characters use their Mental attributes in place of Physical ones (see
the Astral Attributes Table, above) along with the Astral Combat skill.
There are no known ranged weapons that function in astral space, so
unarmed attacks, active weapon foci (p. 199), and mana spells are the
only options for astral combat.
Most astral combat damage is based on the character’s astral
strength (Charisma), as noted on the Astral Combat table. Damage
inflicted from astral combat attacks can be either Stun or Physical
(attacker’s choice). Astral objects like barriers can only be affected by
Physical damage.

[Sentinemodo]

But if there is a mana spells an option, than I don't understand why a bow cannot be a foci. or why distance, position is so irrelevant.

They made an OVERLY complicated rules for ranged/physical combat and then they made matrix and astral combat so plain and boring, I don't get it

[Sichr]

I don't really know. this part is not even slightly confusing, and hasn't been much more clear after street magic.

Astral Com bat
Astral combat is resolved in the same way as physical combat. Astrally
perceiving and dual-natured characters use their Physical attributes
and skills to fight opponents with a physical body, and their Astral
Combat + Willpower to fight wholly astral entities. Astrally projecting
characters use their Mental attributes in place of Physical ones (see
the Astral Attributes Table, above) along with the Astral Combat skill.
There are no known ranged weapons that function in astral space, so
unarmed attacks, active weapon foci (p. 199), and mana spells are the
only options for astral combat.
Most astral combat damage is based on the character’s astral
strength (Charisma), as noted on the Astral Combat table. Damage
inflicted from astral combat attacks can be either Stun or Physical
(attacker’s choice). Astral objects like barriers can only be affected by
Physical damage.

Well its quite clear. There are no Ranged Weapons (no assault cannon foci), but there ARE Mana spells (Manabolt). So ranged attack is possible with those.
Dont mix Weapon for Attack any you are OK

@Lips: You still need LOS to cast the spell

Chill.
The reason we are still TR 2 (second easiest) is that I don't know the rules, but I'm learning. And we'll be soon moving to TR 3, and then I'll show you.

Im OK, I just didnt want to hurt your feelings I see I become quite the ruleslawyer recently...not sure if its good, but it can be usefull sometimes...

[Sichr]

But if there is a mana spells an option, than I don't understand why a bow cannot be a foci. or why distance, position is so irrelevant.

They made an OVERLY complicated rules for ranged/physical combat and then they made matrix and astral combat so plain and boring, I don't get it

Well...there is a lot of things that work well in astral combat. Barriers. Mana spells (not just manabolts but also manipulation ets. Mana Powers. Domains. Counterspelling, Astral Combat, whole astral topography works well - visibility reduced by BGC, barriers, Physical objects...and Visibility modifiers Count for Combat spells ;)n )

[Larzarus]

Had the same thoughts as Sichr, therefore Lips floated above the other (between their heads and the ceiling)
away from the circle but still with LOS.

As I understood only in the circle-chamber is BC 3.

[Sentinemodo]

Im OK, I just didnt want to hurt your feelings I see I become quite the ruleslawyer recently...not sure if its good, but it can be usefull sometimes...

try to avoid the situation, when the rules of play cloud your fun from playing.
Difficult, since in SR it's a matter of single long wide burst to end your career and you fight with every nail to survive.

[Sentinemodo]

Had the same thoughts as Sichr, therefore Lips floated above the other (between their heads and the ceiling)
away from the circle but still with LOS.

As I understood only in the circle-chamber is BC 3.

yep, and a meter or so of the living room chamber close to the circle chamber.

as for the LOS, you have clear one to the guardian spirit, and obstructed (good cover) to the fire one

[Sichr]

funny:
RulesLawyer vs. RuleSlayer
 

am I retard...or am I just dreaming :O

[Sentinemodo]

funny:
RulesLawyer vs. RuleSlayer
 

am I retard...or am I just dreaming :O

vs RulesLiar

[Larzarus]

Okay, edit my last IC post: no defense but Lips still moves a little bit away to a lower BC.

[Sentinemodo]

anyone goes for EDGE to act first?
If no, I'll resolve spirits actions first.