[Netzgeist]

Well, Fractal has no military background, but he has plenty of management experience and he knows his way around tech, so he value a lot a Tacsoft. Mostly not because of the dicepool modifiers, but because of the interface which help sharing knowledge about each others perception (they would have know that when Sam had fallen down to the drones, he had just fainted, not died, and things like that). That's why he really thinks it's the better way to go. Maybe it goes unnoticed, but I am a little tired of be asking the other team members to "stream the visual feeds" of all the drones and googles all the times we go into some serious action.

But if the team decides otherwise, okay, Fractal will agree. Not happily (more firepower is something that does not sound as a solution to him in any sense), but he will agree.

[Sichr]

Well, for this issue IMO it is OK to make a setting that allow anyone from team within the encrypted network use any sensor input freely. It may be acessible via AR, same as data from biomonitors. This we are able to get without need of Tacnet. Tacnet is more than this...it gives tactical analysis of battlefield, extrapolates models and maps from different sources, have some kind of tactical behaviour prediction algorithms etc. I really do think it is valuable, well, ingame terms, it is just +3 dices. Everything you asked about is possible to get done with thared subscriptions (and since our coms are slaved we dont need even that) and this "steam me please the feed" etc is more RP fluff than real need, because from your PAN or AR window, you are able to have opened 10 screens every one with different team member POV.

Ive said that Omar would argue hard

[Sichr]

BTW, Netz,  didnt you thought about some sensor software...like Lies detector or Emosoft? I have recognition software on my to buy list for Dalmatian camera, but those other two would be a good help in some of tasks you may meet.

just my 2c

[Netzgeist]

Character motives: Fractal does not have Cyberware in him (just bioware) for fluff reasons, and that's the same reason why he does not trust Empathy Software: in his mind, computers can't ever be more reasonable than himself on metahuman interaction, so even if he would have it (let's say, he borrow someone's glasses with Empathy software), I wouldn't use the extra dice it would provide, since he would ignore the clues provided for it.
(Also, as a metagaming perspective, 21 dice on a lot of social situations is almost absurd, so I won't give Set any reason to put a better Pornomancer against the team trying to convince someone to pull the trigger against it's own head  .)

I don't have my books right now, but if that's the team decision, then just substitute my previous rolls for the values of the HERF Gun (if it's less than avaliability 17), and consider the new value. But as said before, Fractal will think a little low on the team by this decision ("Tech and military guys just want  bigger toys and more dakka... How childish.").

[Sichr]

Can live with that
If you can teach me some skills for the edge I wont be that much on the edge
And tacnet next time now even Mouse will have well equiped drone so he can take his role anytime he wants to in multiple roles, so he don`t have to sit in the rover and guard the node, he can be on the battlefield right above your head on the ceiling jumpedin his almost invissible Dobbey

[Netzgeist]

Another thing... We have a contact which specializes in fencing weapons: Nikolai Kirilov. Maybe we could even get both the gear at once (Fractal going after Tacnet and Nikolai after the HERF Gun). I don't know if the costs would allow that (again, away from books right now).

[Sichr]

One thing I was thinking about and all this talking lead me away from it. I wanted to ask if we cannot make those things one big pack (well maybe except for those repair parts, I need to start working)
+1 for making me to recall that Im an old man with shaking hands and unreliable memory...

[snake_eyes]

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Sam and Omar have military backgrounds, not sure about others.
my point beeing, we have to think how can we make a team, not what soft would make us one.
sorry for pushing this.

Hopefully you know that Mouse has no military training. Either that or they really lowered the bar.

[snake_eyes]

...
Since Omar is working as a slave, spending all money and time to keep machinery working and ready for next run without any real chance to get some character improvements or financial reserves, he would argue hard about this, well he will comply to the team vote. I hope that this discussion happens BEFORE all money  and time is spent...

Mouse will help...

[snake_eyes]

So the final answer for purchasing the TacNet R3 software?

Mouse dosen't really have a care factor on the TacNet. It's more a cool thing to him. He read something on it during his 'trix runs and said something to Unca Omar, if he thought it would be a good idea. (Durning the Twist and Insult) Mouse is quite content to keep the stun rounds on Dobbey (even if it means we only mount a pistol on him for the time being.) Or mount a directed jammer on him.

Given the brutality of the last run (esp for a rescue mission) Mouse is willing to go with his elders' decision on how best to defend themselves. Besides, he's not in much of a mood to argue.

[Sichr]

...
Since Omar is working as a slave, spending all money and time to keep machinery working and ready for next run without any real chance to get some character improvements or financial reserves, he would argue hard about this, well he will comply to the team vote. I hope that this discussion happens BEFORE all money  and time is spent...

Mouse will help...

Children labour If we dont get arrested for this, then never.
Well, I see taht I could ask Sam for help with sensors ec..well I dont want to end up with blind robots walking around in circles randomely hiting things with long bursts
OK
Seems we have compromise, all inclusive package.
Price would be: 26050
Omar pays 10000 For package (and 500 for personal upgrade- Datajack)

In fact, Availability 106 F has the other White Knight, its more backup then actual need.

@Snake: OK Ill mount SMG from D2 on Dobbey, just get some SnS ammo if you want non lethal...and maybe Sound supressor.

So the final setup would be
D1: WhiteKnight, gecko, Sensor 6
D2: HERF, Gecko, Sensor 6, Winch
Rover: Whiteknight (or casual LMG we have from underground drones)
Dobbey: Smg, Gecko Chameleon coating
Dalmatian: Ares Desertstrike/ High visual/audio surveillance, Radio signal scanner 6

Maybe for Dobbey we dont get shot on sight, only sent to labour camps in ore mines

[Larzarus]

What is in the all incluse pack now?

HERF gun + TacNet 3, or more?

If so, costs 26050$  (- 10k from Omar) , i.e. around 4012$ for the rest of us?

[Netzgeist]

What is in the all incluse pack now?

HERF gun + TacNet 3, or more?

If so, costs 26050$  (- 10k from Omar) , i.e. around 4012$ for the rest of us?

We must wait for Sent to say if it's possible for Fractal to get the Tacsoft + drones equipment and to make Nikolai get the HERF gun all at the same time... if it's not like this, them I believe we will only have drone components + HERF Gun, no TacNet.
But I wouldn't be so optimistic. Too much to do in very few time (and I would like to save at least some nuyen for further investments - hell, Fractal's lifestyle is the most expensive of our team!).

[Larzarus]

We must wait for Sent to say if it's possible for Fractal to get the Tacsoft + drones equipment and to make Nikolai get the HERF gun all at the same time... if it's not like this, them I believe we will only have drone components + HERF Gun, no TacNet.

  Lips would have prefered to have new funny software instead of more shinny dog maschines , now that he followed the teams advice and bought a better commlink.

What exactly is a HERF gun, btw?

[Sichr]

Liek I said, HERF is only 12F, so its nowhere close to Tacnet in availability.last time Ive been requiring package it was here:

id rather get those dicepools so I can roll availability rolls and finish this Omar upgrades

If you insist, I can give them to you but I've send this to you on Skype today:

[10:12:39] kaczy27:
I made the rolls - you got you stuff
no, availability doesn't change - but with the increased cost for batch - so does change the interval for the roll

still the intervals is 2 days, Nikolai used shestiorka with dicepool of 10 you need to score 16 hits (highest availability target from the package) -> 5 hits per 4 days on buying hits -> 15 hits on 12th day -> your stuff arrived just the evening before the run.
You may make your rolls to get the stuff earlier, or roll on your own, if you score less then 16 you'll get delivery after next run

EDIT: if you want you may make rolls for individual things - spending days and acquiring things earlier

If the scenario is the same, we will have complete gear in 4 days, we need to score 16 hits on availability, with price over 10K, RAW interval is 1 week, IDN how this rushing the job works...aha I know.
So it seems it would be betrter to divide this package in multiple packages and use more contacts.

Oh god. It needs more systematic approach

For drones and parts I have blackmarket pipeline - Stalker (I need values for him, Sent) who was visiting the shop not even 2 days ago, So ill try to ask him about this.
HERF (A:12) and Whiteknight (A:16) + possible ammo, thats Kirillovs field of interrest, Interval 2 days.
Tacnet...since Fractal already rolled for it, why not leave it that way, Interval 2 days
Electronics+Sensor upgrades: A/V - Standard on-shelf stuff, Radio signal scaner A:4, Radar A:8, whole package price is 5400, so interval also 2 days - I hope that Stalker would be helpfull even with this but if not, IMO we are able to get those things using any other contact - Tabitha or Miguel, if necessary.

Any ideas? I know we are discussing this for almost a week, but ingame this discussion will be done in Sams bar while sipping drinks and before we got too drunk...taking everythiong into account, the run should have lasted max 8 hours, so we end up in the middle of afternoon.