[Netzgeist]

Well, another situation in which Shadowrun rules are not that clear... I can understand both rulings.
GM's call, it seems.

[Larzarus]

Just for position, Lips floats above Sam.

How far is the snake away?

[Netzgeist]

Also, how far are all the others from the fighting scene?

[Sentinemodo]

It is seven meters away.

But to continue the discussion. Mage is a dual being should he be blocked physically by a mana barrier or only when travelling astrally?

[Sentinemodo]

Also, how far are all the others from the fighting scene?

D1 hundred meters, team further 20. Fractal further 20.

[Netzgeist]

I may be wrong in this, but I think a mage is only a dual-being when he is astrally perceiving.

Anything active on the astral plane has a tangible astral form — projecting magicians, spirits, dual-natured beings, and so on. Astral forms are more colorful and brighter than auras, as they are astrally “real.” The Earth has an astral form, and many regard this as proof that the planet is a living entity apart from the creatures that inhabit its surface.

And later:

A character using astral perception is considered dual-natured, active on both the physical and astral planes simultaneously.

[Larzarus]

I have no rule for this, but a mana barrier stops everything astral, so for a dual-natured being (half mundan, half astral), a mana barrier should at least have some effects since half of the body is stoped. E.g. half the barrier strength.

[Sentinemodo]

Still mana barrier doesn't affect innate creature ability and it does not affect. Adept so why should it stop body?

Sichr. How do you rule that case in your games? 

[Larzarus]

Maybe Sam makes a one-hit kill against the snake, and Lips does not have to use any spell. After all, its a tiny snake.

[Sentinemodo]

Maybe, I just want to iron out those rules. We have had A LOT of discussions regarding matrix rules, and I am pretty confident in them by now. Magic is foreign to me yet. Until proven otherwise, I'd like to set the rule and keep to it in future encounters.

I've asked a quick question on the rule subforum, and the quick answer so far is in favor of blocking dual creatures by the mana barrier.
To me the matter isn't yet clear, but we can proceed with temporary verdict.

Netz, I assume that you think that mana barrier should block physical movement of dual being creature, as well as for example an astrally perceiving mage. I also assume that you Larz think the same.

[Larzarus]

From the rules so far, yes. movement is blocked for dual-natured the same as for pure mana beings.

Personally I owuld say, in case of dual-natured, half the force of the barrier.

[Sentinemodo]

I've asked around on the forum. Until further notice, mana barrier blocks dual natured beings..

I think we're ready to roll.

[snake_eyes]

My posts will be spurratic while I'm on vacation. Mouse will if not jumped into D1 or Dobbey and if his communication idea fails to work, then he could offer to act as a relay between you guy and the surface.

[Sichr]

I don't have the Corerules with me right now, so.

Assumeing we deal with a dual natured creature (otherwise, Lips isn't in danger at all)

1) Can dual natured be stopped by Mana Barriers?

2)In Astral Space, what do I roll instead of Reaction to let Lips block a melee attack with his weapon foci?

1) Yes, they are stopped;

2 I couldn't find anything on this one;

Also, sorry for the slow posts, my connection is erractic right now.

In astral you use Astral combat. if you are just perceiving and want to use Melee skill, you do so with -2 mod for physical action while astraly perceiving

[Sichr]

Still mana barrier doesn't affect innate creature ability and it does not affect. Adept so why should it stop body?

Sichr. How do you rule that case in your games?

Astral forms and dual beings are affected the same way by mana barrier.
Ward are completely different (well may be created by any dual being without restrictions, without specific spell, like building from bricks)