[Wakshaani]

Oh, how it's hard to be a banksta.

[Black]

Love to see more rounded character development for Clockwork... but on the flip side, even though many of the other Jackpointer's have engaged in unsavoury acts (eg Haze, Kane etc), not many of the other Jackpointer's respond match to there comments.  Kane seems to be fairly popular, despite the many crimes his committed (shooting prisoners, selling people into slavery etc).  Haze gets some flack, but not much. 

Also, in fiction at least, conflict is an important part of story/character development.  While we can get some from Hard Exit and Picador when they talk about the various conflicts they have been involved in, I feel you get some of the best stuff from when people conflict (disagreements to vendettas).  Also, opposing views provides a more rounded view of events.  Finally, now that we dont had shadowland, we miss a bit of that 'man on the street' feel on what people are thinking out there.  Some of these bias may seem extreme, but maybe every second wage slave out there is terrified of technomancers and Clockwork's statements are mild compared to what people are really saying? 

Would actually like to see more 'personal'  views like this.  Eg, what do people really think of the Azzies, the Draco Foundation, Nadir, the Dragons?  We think Hestiby may be a 'good' um.. person, but what about a runner who is suspicious of all Dragons and Elves?  Why do people trust Frosty so much?  She hangs with the 'players' and holds back info all the time.  Can Jackpointers really trust her?  Maybe she shares the info both ways, no what I mean?

When are the Jackpointers going 'mix it up' against each other on a run?  The latest adventures have people running into rival runners all the time... but the Jackpointers don't run into each other that much...  really?

[CanRay]

Haze is called on his Tempo addiction (and apparently was part of Fatima's death!), as is Turbo Bunny at times.  Clockwork is called out on having sold Netcat out, not so much because he collected a bounty, but that he did so on "one of our own."

Kane, for all his insanity and high-end everything, has never seemed to hit the JackPointers in any way majorly.  He is honest about the Biz he does, and that gets him a level of respect despite what he does.

It's hard to see, but Clockwork does have a bit more of a personality than "I work for the biggest stick" and "Techomancers are as bad as filesharing!!!"  Not much of one, but hell, I'm pretty sure we've all known people IRL with even less personality.  I know I have.

[Wakshaani]

Rigger X took a MASSIVE reputation hit when it was revealed that he routinely collects data on everyone he meets and that he has a strict "No witnesses" policy that leads him to gun down security guards just in case they've seen him.

Riser, meanwhile, is a paid killer, but has a professionalism about him that gets him off the general snitlist.

I don't think that there are any abject racists that we know of (Shame, because there should be a couple), while no one seems to fall into the monster category (Babies in the woodchipper, just because I can). No practicing blood mages I don't think (James will correct me if I've missed one, I'm sure) but a few cold-hearted types, like Sticks. Lyran's bilked people out of money, so she's probably stolen retirement checks from old people or lunch money from children before. "A fool and their nuyen," and all that. They'd wind up wasting it ANYWAY, so it might as well wind up in her hands, where it can be well taken care of, right?

The nicer Jackpointers get used more often because, well, writing likable people is fun, since they have to crawl around in your head for a while to set the words down well. The badguys are also fun, but the *repulsive* ones, nobody enjoys. Ever since he was accused of rape, Haze has largely vanished, for instance. Kane's so over the top that it just bounces off his likeability field.

[Black]

Its not that there arn't 'bad' people in Jackpoint.  Its that no one seems to care to the same extent as Clockwork.  Haze gets one hater, sometimes, Clockwork seems to have a hate club.

On a related note, Clockwork get the most 'air time' here on the forum, so in a way, his a pretty successful character, even if its notority rather than popularity.  If would be a shame if he was overused.

[CanRay]

Clockwork gets a lot of airtime in the books as there's a lot of technology that's talked about, and he's the group's major technophile.  Notice that he keeps his trap shut when it comes to magic.

Personally, I think Plan 9 should talk more when Augmentations and Bioware is referred to.  Typically because (s)he's had it installed at one time or another.  Thank goodness for Essence Shadows!

[Mirikon]

Clockwork gets more haters than others because he directly sold out another Jackpointer to the corps, and because he is an openly rabid bigot. All the Jackpointers have biases, and there are more than a few who are leery of Technomancers, but Clockwork is the only one that takes the hate and dials it up to 11. You see a group forming to counter him because unless you're also in the 'rabid hatemonger' club, having someone constantly spouting off about how one group or another is evil and abominations and should be killed is not something most people would want to deal with on a regular basis. You saw the same kind of thing back in the Shadowland days, especially with Dragonslayer chiming in every time dragons were mentioned. After a while, people just get sick of that drek. In fact, the more virulent Clockwork gets, the further it pushes everyone else away from him.

Look at a real world example. I give you the 'Birther' movement in the US, led by Man-of-Obvious-Combforward, AKA Donald Trump. The more people spout off about how they think Obama was born in Kenya, even after both forms of his official Hawaii birth certificate were published, the further they isolate themselves on the lunatic fringe. People who merely dislike Obama for one reason or another try to keep their distance, for the most part, because otherwise the Birthers make them ALL look like crazy nutjobs, whether they are or not. The same thing is happening on Jackpoint with Clockwork. It also doesn't help the situation any that Netcat has actually gone out of her way to try and prove that technomancers are just folk, and the corps really are doing horrible, horrible things to them. She's been playing it smart, not rising to Clockwork's bait most of the time, which just makes him look even worse. Sooner or later, though, things will come to a head, and because she's worked on getting allies, and Clockwork told everyone on Jackpoint that he would sell them all down the river in a heartbeat if there was pay in it, Netcat is likely going to come out on top.

[Wakshaani]

Clockwork gets a lot of airtime in the books as there's a lot of technology that's talked about, and he's the group's major technophile.  Notice that he keeps his trap shut when it comes to magic.

Personally, I think Plan 9 should talk more when Augmentations and Bioware is referred to.  Typically because (s)he's had it installed at one time or another.  Thank goodness for Essence Shadows!

Whenever a new vehicle or drone book comes out, Clockwork needs to stand up and start laying out the techspeak like few others, help show why he's there. 

Plan 9's "The Conspiracy Guy (gal?)", but the bio-aug needs to get more airtime as well. As stated, if it's Evo, it's been on, or in, Plan 9 at some point. Gender-flipping, genotype-switching, morphology-twisting, Plan 9'll try anything trans-human. I'm sure that Plan's gone through a "Catgirl" phase, probably had neon feathers and a beak before, and certainly has gotten an aquatic adaptation to go gill-diving at the Marianas Islands. Might get a zero-G mod (spindly!) and go hang out with Orbital DK for a couple of months.

Which, oddly, reminds me. New Thread!

[Black]

Love to see more Jackpointers showing which Corp they hate/support etc.  Maybe a someone who hates Bugs or Dragons as well.

[Mirikon]

Everyone hates bugs. Sticks and Man-of-Many-Names in particular. As for dragons, there aren't any dragon haters in the group, though the only one who might deal with them would be Frosty.

[CanRay]

Bull hates bugs too.  He hates them so much he refuses to talk about them.  Or even look at them.

[Wakshaani]

Everyone hates bugs. Sticks and Man-of-Many-Names in particular. As for dragons, there aren't any dragon haters in the group, though the only one who might deal with them would be Frosty.

Actually, there *was* one dragon-hating Jackpointer who was fairly open about it. Mentioned that Dragonslayer had been taken out and that she was going to pick up the torch.

She was killed during the opening salvo of the Ghost Cartel storyline. D'oh!

No one else has come out *openly* against them sense.

But that doesn't mean that they're not there...

[CanRay]

Just means they're smart enough not to voice it out loud where the Dragons might be listening.

After all, you really think FastJack is going to deny "The Big D" a place on the JackPoint if he comes back? 

[hobgoblin]

There is already a dragon (of sorts) on the guest list...

[Mirikon]

Actually, there *was* one dragon-hating Jackpointer who was fairly open about it. Mentioned that Dragonslayer had been taken out and that she was going to pick up the torch.

She was killed during the opening salvo of the Ghost Cartel storyline. D'oh!

No one else has come out *openly* against them sense.

But that doesn't mean that they're not there...

*blink* Ok, who was that again?