[Angelone]

Okay, I'll admit it. I'm the one who's doing it, but I gotta have some place to dump out my dustbuster. 

[FastJack]

I'd like to think Goblinization still occurs when the parents are of different "races", most often if the mother is human and the father is ork/troll. Of course, I also like to believe the universe is a nice place that wouldn't punish people that are in love.

[Crimsondude]

HAHAHAHAHA

[All4BigGuns]

I'd like to think Goblinization still occurs when the parents are of different "races", most often if the mother is human and the father is ork/troll. Of course, I also like to believe the universe is a nice place that wouldn't punish people that are in love.

I feel sorry for the mother if the father is a troll. *shudders*

[Kylen]

I gotta ask, thanks to CitizenJoe there: How many of you actually play up the Racism in SR? I ask because I have yet to see anyone I know take anything related to it Neg wise, and outside of two groups and a Country (Humanis, Sons of Saruman or what ever it is, and Japan) off hand, it seems people GENERALLY don't care about your race any more. I mean, do you guys have any NPCs that specifically go out of their way to bug the random elf/ork/whatever coming down the street just because he's different? I can only think of 3 or 4 situations I would, specifically bars (because alcohol can bring out the worst) and..well...Japan, or the Underground.

[Critias]

Heck yeah, I do.  People are assholes to one another based on silly nonsense like who they want to hump, what color skin they've got, or and what team they like, IRL.  Take all that normal stuff, and pile onto it that there are now even bigger differences, too, coupled with a media and world-view that minimizes the value of (meta)human life even more than it already is, today?

Others resent elves for being pretty and living a long time.  Elves resent others for breeding like rabbits and offending their aesthetic sensibilities.  Dwarves hate everyone else for being tall.  Orks hate Dwarves for being socially accepted.  Trolls hate everyone but Orks for living longer than them and buying stuff that fits.  Humans hate and fear Orks and Trolls for being so strong.  Orks look down on everyone but Trolls for being smooth-skinned and media darlings, and they fear Trolls for being bigger and tougher than them. 

And on, and on, and on.  And that's not even bringing into play regional antipathies, like pro-and-anti Elven sentiments in the Tir (especially following the coups ten years ago), neighborhood beefs in Seattle (metaracism in several districts), ethnic hatreds (particularly with so many brutal organized criminal groups affiliated with certain nationalities/ethnicities, and with the NAN playing a role, in Seattle), Technomancer fear, resentment and fear of those with magical Talent (or disdain for those without it), SURGE and all that it entails, metavariants making everything worse, jingoistic and almost fanatical loyalties to Megacorporations twisting people's opinions just as much as any cult or nation in real life...

And to top it all off?  The Sixth World's a miserable bitch of a place to live, and that always makes attitudes worse and lives cheaper.

So heck yeah.  There's hardly a location you can name, I can't find some NPC in a crowd that ain't gonna hate some PC for something. 

[raggedhalo]

When I'm GMing, I tend to use it quite a lot; prejudice based on metatype more than ethnicity, but both are present.

I'm also playing in one game at the minute, and play an absolutely vile dwarf who is racist (both on ethnic and metatype lines) against everyone who isn't, well, him.

[Bull]

We've been playing with it in the Missions adventures some.  It's one of the underlying problems between Seattle and the Ork underground, after all.  Plus, racist scumbags make such good bad guys.

[Red]

I gotta ask, thanks to CitizenJoe there: How many of you actually play up the Racism in SR? I ask because I have yet to see anyone I know take anything related to it Neg wise, and outside of two groups and a Country (Humanis, Sons of Saruman or what ever it is, and Japan) off hand, it seems people GENERALLY don't care about your race any more. I mean, do you guys have any NPCs that specifically go out of their way to bug the random elf/ork/whatever coming down the street just because he's different? I can only think of 3 or 4 situations I would, specifically bars (because alcohol can bring out the worst) and..well...Japan, or the Underground.

Racism comes up fairly often in my games. We have a werefox and a vampire in the group. The werefox is of Native Am stock, which isn't always the most popular with some folks (See Northern Cali, parts of Seattle, plenty of the UCAS...) as well as being a paracritter which might be worth something to a number of corps. And the vampire technically has a bounty on his head in some parts of the world just for being infected.

Given the racial division/diversity of street gangs, it certainly works well to help define one more element of their all-important identity, as one runner has a past related to Kumon-Go, while another grew up in Puyallup in the Tarislar. we even throw in a bit of ageism, with one girl being a tiny blonde teen who has sociopathic tendencies (she's an AI piloting a realistically human drone body), and another being an older man, the team rigger who was once a celebrated motorcycle racer but had an as-yet unspecified fall from grace.

We've had Trolls pick fights with our Elves, Humanis pick fights with every Meta, hackers pick on mages, one notable case of a Changeling running from a lynch mob during Emergence, ghouls pick on squatters, AIs pick on "meatsacks", vampires pick on "Cattle", and a number of gangs and personal conflicts which showed the extant hostility of Korean Rings vs Japanese Yakuza. There's a LOT of division in SR, and part of a cyberpunk setting (well, MY cyberpunk setting) is emphasizing the dystopian element alongside the wonders of technology and magic. And there's little so dystopian as the idiocy and villainy of prejudice.

[Mirikon]

I gotta ask, thanks to CitizenJoe there: How many of you actually play up the Racism in SR? I ask because I have yet to see anyone I know take anything related to it Neg wise, and outside of two groups and a Country (Humanis, Sons of Saruman or what ever it is, and Japan) off hand, it seems people GENERALLY don't care about your race any more. I mean, do you guys have any NPCs that specifically go out of their way to bug the random elf/ork/whatever coming down the street just because he's different? I can only think of 3 or 4 situations I would, specifically bars (because alcohol can bring out the worst) and..well...Japan, or the Underground.

It is a fairly common theme in the Missions series. Also, add two other nations to the list of 'heavily racist': Tir Tairngir and Tir na Nog. Tir Tairngir is split currently between the anti-human racists and the elves-only racists. And, of course, there's Japan, and the Japanacorps.

Racism is a big thing, but just because someone is racist doesn't mean they foam at the mouth like Clockwork does with technomancers. For instance, if you read Iceblade's comments in the Virtual Underworld 93 threads, you might not see on the surface the fact that he is, in fact, one of the elves-only type racists, though not as rabid about it as some. In his case, it isn't that he hates other metatypes. Instead, he pities them for their unfortunate condition, and those who are Awakened, Emerged, or just show great potential at what they do, he respects for having worked so hard to overcome their disadvantaged birth. His helping Murphy get his footing after Big Murphy died is a form of nobless oblige, the responsibility of those with advantages to do what they can to help their lessers, though he wouldn't say it like that. In his writeup of Big Murphy, there are subtly racist tones throughout the piece, even though he's praising Big Murphy.

Racism isn't just things like what Humanis and Alamos20K do. In Conspiracy Theories, when talking about the Human Nation, there is a good example of a different form of racism. Human Nation members don't want to see metahumans killed. They work to find ways to humanely end those genetic lines, such as by spiking drinks to make metahumans become sterile, and so on. They see themselves as defenders of the human race, guiding them away from the corruption of these genetic 'dead ends'.

[Red]

I gotta ask, thanks to CitizenJoe there: How many of you actually play up the Racism in SR? I ask because I have yet to see anyone I know take anything related to it Neg wise, and outside of two groups and a Country (Humanis, Sons of Saruman or what ever it is, and Japan) off hand, it seems people GENERALLY don't care about your race any more. I mean, do you guys have any NPCs that specifically go out of their way to bug the random elf/ork/whatever coming down the street just because he's different? I can only think of 3 or 4 situations I would, specifically bars (because alcohol can bring out the worst) and..well...Japan, or the Underground.

It is a fairly common theme in the Missions series. Also, add two other nations to the list of 'heavily racist': Tir Tairngir and Tir na Nog. Tir Tairngir is split currently between the anti-human racists and the elves-only racists. And, of course, there's Japan, and the Japanacorps.

Racism is a big thing, but just because someone is racist doesn't mean they foam at the mouth like Clockwork does with technomancers. For instance, if you read Iceblade's comments in the Virtual Underworld 93 threads, you might not see on the surface the fact that he is, in fact, one of the elves-only type racists, though not as rabid about it as some. In his case, it isn't that he hates other metatypes. Instead, he pities them for their unfortunate condition, and those who are Awakened, Emerged, or just show great potential at what they do, he respects for having worked so hard to overcome their disadvantaged birth. His helping Murphy get his footing after Big Murphy died is a form of nobless oblige, the responsibility of those with advantages to do what they can to help their lessers, though he wouldn't say it like that. In his writeup of Big Murphy, there are subtly racist tones throughout the piece, even though he's praising Big Murphy.

Racism isn't just things like what Humanis and Alamos20K do. In Conspiracy Theories, when talking about the Human Nation, there is a good example of a different form of racism. Human Nation members don't want to see metahumans killed. They work to find ways to humanely end those genetic lines, such as by spiking drinks to make metahumans become sterile, and so on. They see themselves as defenders of the human race, guiding them away from the corruption of these genetic 'dead ends'.

Early Shadowrun included a great many of these projects being funded by megas or subverted. One notable example was DNA/DOA, where Alamos 50K terrorists want to use new research into metahuman gene mapping and targeted mutagenic viruses to eliminate metahuman targets, or just wipe out their ability to produce "tainted" offspring.

Come to think of it, we've never heard ANYTHING with that mutagenic angle since that adventure... you'd think Aztechnology would be more keen to capitalize on something which, while not effective in the intended way, still had such dramatic potential...

[CitizenJoe]

Good news.  I figured out why the ash is still in the air.  Mining companies are going around harvesting the volcanic ash layer without proper safety protocols.  This, combined with limestone mining and conversion to quicklime results in a pretty decent alternative to Portland Cement.  That creates a construction product industry in Puyallup, which is probably run by the Mafia and or the Yakuza.  On the plus side, this old school product (invented by the Romans) is less toxic to the environment than plastcrete and plasteel, and thus popular exports to the SSC as well as receiving potential incentives... although the shortcuts being taken might risk those incentives.

[Angelone]

Yes... We'll go with that, and not that it's cremated ashes of my enemies which I dustbusted up and dumped there.

[CitizenJoe]

They aren't mutually exclusive... I did say it was Mafia run...

[BRKNdevil]

what i find amusing though is that if the 4th world earthdawn tie-ins ever become important then a lot of that racism is self destructive, especially since human kind made all those different things, dwarves, elves, orks, trolls, and dragons. then the fight against the horrors is going to suck. another thing i find weird though is why didn't humans create some sort of genetic base against the dragons that made them default to human control? it kind of sucks that dragons have such a superiority complex that causes their racism and slows down the military build up need against the horrors.