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« Reply #45 on: <03-16-12/1949:50> »
I'm not good with quotes so here goes.

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A policeman shoots an unarmed man in the back while he's lying on the ground; the man dies. The policeman is working inside the law. A homeless man is being beaten by some bored, rich teenagers; he defends himself and one of the teens dies. He is working outside of the law.

The homeless man is in the right because it's self defense. (Edit- He's probably going to jail anyway because rich kids daddy) The cop shooting the prone man in the back isn't, it's murder badge or no.
What if the cop is acquitted? Either you're judging right and wrong by what the law says, or circumstances and intent count for something. If Pistons is equivalent to Haze because they both break the law, then why is the law not the last word on whether the cop is a "good man" or not?

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IIRC, almost nobody defended Sticks.

Not my point, my point is no one has been actively condemning him for years. he got called out on the spot and it was dropped. People came to Haze's defense however.
So? That's not an inconsistency; Haze was only being attacked in that one article, and earlier in Ghost Cartels when he was suspected of being involved in Fatima's death.

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In the example I cited, would the man have beaten his son to death if you hadn't flipped him off in traffic? A person's actions are their own; you don't get to blame your decisions on other people. The question is this: was the manager *forced* to ruin the employment record of the security guard by the hacker, or did he make a choice because he was angry?

The man probably would have beaten his son to death at some point anyway. If he had such a short fuse that someone in traffic could have pushed him to that point it was pretty much a given. As for the manager he might have not wanted to fire the guard, but had to because of policy. It doesn't change the fact that the guard would still have a job if the doohickey wasn't stolen.
Again, the same excuses you're using here could be used against you. Being fired isn't the end of the world; you said "ruined life". That suggest the manager seriously burned this guard. If he's going to overreact over one theft, he'd have overreacted and gone after the guard eventually anyway, by the same logic you're using with the man and his son. The fault lies with the person making the choice. The thief is guilty, but not of ruining the guard's life.

Anyway, this is turning circular, so I'm done here.

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« Reply #46 on: <03-16-12/2000:28> »
Because the thief is directly responsible. If the thief wouldn't have taken the doohickey the guard wouldn't have been fired. The scenario is nothing like Columbine and Marilyn Manson as there is a direct correlation between the two not a knee jerk overreaction.

If the thief didn't steal the guard wouldn't have been fired, but the thief did steal so the guard did get fired. As I said before maybe the manager had no choice and it was a policy thing, however it doesn't change the fact the the thief was directly responsible for the guards firing.
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   What if the cop is acquitted? Either you're judging right and wrong by what the law says, or circumstances and intent count for something. If Pistons is equivalent to Haze because they both break the law, then why is the law not the last word on whether the cop is a "good man" or not?


Because good men don't go around shooting unarmed people who've obviously surrendered in the back.

Pistons is equivalent to Haze in the fact that they break the law, kill, and ruin lives.

While yes firing doesn't necessarily equal a ruined life for some it can for others. The guard might find another job or he might not, he may kill himself (like the girl in Haze's story) or he might not.

Say he did kill himself after being fired. What then?

Edit- Stupid quotes
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« Reply #47 on: <03-16-12/2035:28> »
So, I was reading this pretty awesome blog post about women in Shadowrun
Thanks for that praise. Much appreciated.

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when I caught mention of Hard Exit, specifically Hard Exit being female. Now, I haven't read War! so perhaps I'm a bit late on this, but I'd always pictured Hard Exit as a guy with a crew cut, because that's how he was described in some fiction that I'd read a while ago (IIRC, it was SR4 or something....extraction run, I think s/he was trying to get the target to the roof for aerial evac).

Am I crazy/misremembering the fiction, or was that some kind of typo?
No. She was described as a man in the opening story for the "Company Towns" chapter of Corporate Enclaves.

She has an entry in Street Legends Supplemental.

However, she was always supposed to be a woman. As Critias said, we had a long discussion about how far I should go in dealing with that one description. One thing I noticed when I went back and re-read everything she ever posted (Thanks FastJack!) was that she also has a recurring theme of engaging in (voluntary) extractions. Given that the context of the story was that she was masquerading as a faceless goon for MCT Security voluntarily extracting a senior exec from what was probably the Corporate Court Terrestrial Headquarters that there were logistical considerations (I doubt a lot of MCT Security personnel are women) and safety considerations (Her false identity was going to be known to a lot of dangerous people), and having a background in low-intensity warfare and extractions where stealth and subterfuge are keenly important, it made sense that the description would be of a disguise. Now, there was a question of how far we wanted to go, especially in light of Pistons' joke in Runner's Companion. I threw out the idea that she has had the sex-change (and other major) bionetic mods. More importantly as how it applied to SLS was that I was going to leave an Essence Hole in her stats to reflect that*.

That was universally considered "Not a good idea" and the info was nixed. The language describing her disguises was made more vague, and frankly I think that if you want her to have a cyberpenis and be running around biosculpted as a man then so be it. IIRC, she's got the Essence (barely).

I also made some other changes from the original author's ideas for her. No offense intended, but ... I became enamored with how she earned the nickname (if you've read SLS, then you have to admit that is definitely a "street legend."). Bill's origin for her name was based on her appearance in the opening fiction of the "Vehicle and Drones" chapter of Arsenal where immediately after Operation Hard Entry begins it goes FUBAR. I did keep Operation Hard Entry, but it's not the reason for her nickname.

So she and Pistons met and became close while Hard Exit was in DeeCee.

As for Pistons, her behavior is what it is. I should also mention that in Conspiracy Theories FastJack admits to knowing, but it is not clear if she or anyone else (specifically Hard Exit and Kay St. Irregular) knows, that Haze has tried to have Pistons killed.


*As an aside, yes, I know she has two empty Capacity points in her cyberarm. I built her stats so that everything is equalized between the cyberarm and everything else, including giving her smartskin armor to match her cyberarm's armor so that even naked she has the same armor values across her entire body. Same with the attribute mods. I left it open so that something can be added if a new toy is introduced later, and also so that a GM can modify her as they see fit to relate to their campaign.

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« Reply #48 on: <03-16-12/2135:36> »
Just to be clear, I never want anyone to have a cyberpenis. :P

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« Reply #49 on: <03-16-12/2140:41> »
In Communist Russia, cyberpenis...


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« Reply #50 on: <03-16-12/2150:05> »
Henry "The Diplomat" Uribe has one. Can probably get more if he wanted.
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« Reply #51 on: <03-16-12/2235:40> »
Henry "The Diplomat" Uribe has one. Can probably get more if he wanted.

I once had a player build a face with fiberoptic hair, cyberpenis and breast implants. Used them to go undercover as whatever they needed, and have some sex sequences disturbing even for my group. Ended up dating an AI that used the char's commlink for its home node

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« Reply #52 on: <03-17-12/0047:59> »
I'd just like to go back to the OP for a sec on a different JackPointer that one of my friends claims used to be male but was changed to female in SR4.

Ma'fan.

Any truth to that or can I call bullshit on him?

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« Reply #53 on: <03-17-12/0055:30> »
In Communist Russia, cyberpenis...

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« Reply #54 on: <03-17-12/0206:12> »
In Communist Russia, cyberpenis...

No, I can't do it. Let CanRay finish the joke.
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« Reply #55 on: <03-17-12/0230:49> »
I'd just like to go back to the OP for a sec on a different JackPointer that one of my friends claims used to be male but was changed to female in SR4.

Ma'fan.

Any truth to that or can I call bullshit on him?
I've never heard of her being a man.

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« Reply #56 on: <03-17-12/1322:26> »
I'd just like to go back to the OP for a sec on a different JackPointer that one of my friends claims used to be male but was changed to female in SR4.

Ma'fan.

Any truth to that or can I call bullshit on him?
Any idea what it is that makes her think she used to be male?  'Cause I can't think of anything.

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« Reply #57 on: <03-17-12/1327:40> »
I'd just like to go back to the OP for a sec on a different JackPointer that one of my friends claims used to be male but was changed to female in SR4.

Ma'fan.

Any truth to that or can I call bullshit on him?
Any idea what it is that makes her think she used to be male?  'Cause I can't think of anything.
Only thing I can think of is if he's mixing up Ma'fan and Mika.

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« Reply #58 on: <03-17-12/1417:58> »
So what about Kia being referred to as Ms. Kia in Attitude.
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« Reply #59 on: <03-17-12/1421:00> »
I used to get Mika and Ma'fan gender mixed up. I was actually surprised when Kia turned out to be a male, he seems so feminine in his posts.

Edit- I seem to remember a bit of fiction where Mika was riding some kind of cart down a shaft to get to a subway tunnel, where he was referred to as she.
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