[JustADude]

While Incompetent (Archery) is a tad cheesy if you clearly are never going to use a bow,

I have no idea what you're speaking about. >_>

To be fair, it isn't as bad as Incompetent (Skill that you can't default on and never plan on buying).  Then again you generally can fill out on negative qualities that don't hurt you at all or are just mild inconveniences at worst.

Like Reduced Sense (Smell; Partial; Neurological). -10 BP and you take -2 to sniffing things.

[All4BigGuns]

While Incompetent (Archery) is a tad cheesy if you clearly are never going to use a bow,

I have no idea what you're speaking about. >_>

To be fair, it isn't as bad as Incompetent (Skill that you can't default on and never plan on buying).  Then again you generally can fill out on negative qualities that don't hurt you at all or are just mild inconveniences at worst.

Like Reduced Sense (Smell; Partial; Neurological). -10 BP and you take -2 to sniffing things.

What about Reduced Sense (Taste; Complete)?

[UmaroVI]

Smell is largely more pointless, because Olfactory Sensor exists.

[Marak1972]

ok so how is this now. Changes have been made

Name: N/A    Alias: Marak   Archetype: Adept Gunslinger      Metatype:  Troll (40)
Sex: M      Age: 27   Nationality: N/A   Karma Spent: 0   Build: 400 BP
                  Attributes (150)
Body: 7(20)   Agility: 3(20)   Reaction: 5 (7) (20)   Strength: 7 (20)
Charisma: 2(10)   Intuition: 3(20)   Logic: 2(10)      Willpower: 4(30)
Edge:    1   Magic: 5( 1 )   [30]Essence: 6
Initiative: 8 (9)      Passes: 1 (2)

Armor:  Leather Jacket 2/2 Armor Vest 6/4        800,
Physical Condition: 10   Stun Condition: 10
               Qualities
Adept (5 BP), Ambidextrous (5BP), Astral Chameleon (5 BP) Guts (5BP),Magic Resistance level 1 (5BP)
Mild addiction to Caff-Pow (+5 BP), Allergy - Silver(Uncommon), Moderate (+10), Incompetent (Hacking) +5(Negotiation)+5,

            Active Skills      (130)            
Athletics Skill group          3 [30]
Auto Mechanics          3 [12]
Nautical Mechanics               3 [12]
Etiquette (Street)         2(+2) [10]
            Automatics                              
(Automatics Improved ability)   4 (5) [16]   
      Perception (Visual)         3 (+2)   [14]      
Pilot : ground            3 [12]
Stealth skill Group           3 [12]
Unarmed                           3 [12]
Knowledge Skills (16)     
English N
Spanish           2
         (Local Area) Gangs:       3         
               Firearms Design      4
               Firearms History      2
               Safehouse Locations      4
               Security Procedures:       3
               Adept Powers
Combat Sense  1   Improved Ability (Automatics) 1   Quick-draw
Improved reflexes 1 , Cool Resolve , Blind-fighting, Motion Sense
               Lifestyle permanent 40 000
Area E Street (0) Plastic Jungle   
Comforts Middle (3)   
Entertainment Low (2)      
Furnishings Squatter (1)
Security luxury (5)         
Space luxury (5)
Defensive set-up (+.6), Escape Tunnel (+.10),Masterful engineering (+.05), Helpful Neighbors (+.05), Hasty Access (+.05)
Portal in closet (-.05), Underpaid security (-.15), Rough Neighborhood (-.15), Unreliable Security level 2 (-.1), Victory Gardens (Plastic Jungles/ -2)
Gear [30 BP|/150,000 Nuyen]
(I know I still have a bit of money to spend I think unless I really screwed up on calculations)

2 Ceska Black Scorpion – Machine Pistol- 4P, SA/BF,(1) RC, 35 ( c ), 550
HK MP-5 TX – SMG-  5P, SA/BF/FA,  2 (3) RC, 20 (c ), 550
Ingram Smartgun X – smg- 5P, BF/FA, 2 (3) RC, 32 ( c), 650
FN HAR _ Assualt- 6P, -1 AP, SA/BF/FA, 2 RC, 35 ( c), 1000
2 Ares Crusader – Machine Pistol- 4P, SA/BF,  2 RC, 40 ( c), 700
Colt Cobra TZ-110 _ SMG- 5P, SA/BF/FA, 2 (3) RC, 32 ( c), 550

Hollow point rounds (4 boxes) 50/ box, Reg rounds 10 boxes (20/box), Gel rounds 10 boxes(30/box),
Ex Explosive rounds ( 5) 100/box,
           
Flash bang grenade 30 , Frag grenade35 ,
5 concealable holsters 75 each, Maglock Passkey (R6(12000) , Plasteel Restaints 10 (50/)
Contacts (Rating 3 w/ Image Link, Low Light Vision, and Smartlink)
Goggles (Rating 4 w/ Image Link, Low Light Vision, Smartlink, And Vision Enhancement [Rating 3])
Earbuds (Rating 3 w/ Audio Enhancement [Rating 3])
Commlink(s)
Hermes Ikon – 4 response 3 signal (3000) – Iris Orb OS -3 firewall 3 system 1000
Fairlight Caliban – 4 resp 5 sig (8000) – Novatech Navi OS – 3 firewall 4 system 1500
Tag eraser , SMG B/R tool kit, Assault rifle Tool kit, And shops for both (1100)
Autopicker (Rating 6)12000, Climbing Gear (200), GPS (200), Flashlight (25), 10 Light Sticks (50)
Medkit (Rating 6)(600) medkit supplies (50 each) 10 , Survival Kit (100), Antidote Patches R6 (10)
Survival Kit, Doc wagon Gold 25,000 per year,
Gecko Tape Gloves(250)
Rappelling Gloves (70)
Grapple Gun 500
Microwire (200m) (50/100m)-100
Stealth Rope (200m) (85/100m) - 170
Catalyst Stick (120/) 10
Fake SIN (Rating 4, "Clyde Boxner" (7)fake gun license and 1 sin)400/license + 4000
        (Rating 4 , “Jed Gibbs” (7) fake gun license & 1 sin)400/license + 40000
Contacts (22)
Hope (3/3) Family friend & trainer , Boz Orc bartender (2/2), Dick-human armorer (2/2), Buck - Orc Fixer (2/2), Glytche- female orc hacker (1/1),


Harley Davidson Scorpion [12 000], Mercury Comet [14 000]

[UmaroVI]

Agility is super duper important to you as a Gunslinger. Strength is not. I would really recommend Strength 5, Agility 4, Intuition 4.

You can do notably better with armor. For one thing, armor doesn't stack like that; you can't wear both a leather jacket and an armor vest (or rather you can, but you only benefit from the armor vest). The way SR armor works is that you wear Form Fitting Body Armor (Arsenal), one "big" armor piece like a Longcoat or Vashon Island Steampunk or whatnot, and then accessorize like mad with things like SecureTech PPP Systems, Moonsilver Line Scarf, Helmets, etc. Your goal should be to hit 14/14 for encumbrance which is Form-Fitting plus anoterh 11/13. One way to hit that is FFBA, full Vashon Island, and all of PPP except the helmet.

Why do you have Magic 5(1)? I don't see any ware.

Your Physical Condition should be 12, not 10.

Guts is a cool, but not really useful quality, as is Astral Chameleon. They aren't terrible but you may want to cut them for other stuff you want more.

Magic Resistance is 10/level, not 5/level.

I would go for another 10-point negative quality.

Your skills are way too all-over-the-place. In particular, you just aren't very good at Mechanics and I would reconsider the 30 points you spend on that.

Starting with Automatics 6 is a good idea.

Try to avoid skills at 3. It is very inefficient for improving with karma later. Generally, you should have either 0,1, or 4 in a skill. The reason is that buying a skill from 1-> 2 is 4 BP or 4 karma, but buying from 3->4 is 4 BP or 8 karma. Thus, it's more efficient to start specialized and diversify later.

Cool Resolve is very bad. It's half the price of Kinesics and way less than half as good. If you care, get Kinesics.

Blind-Fighting seems good, and is almost a good power, but is actually crap. The reason is that it only reduces the Full Darkness penalty from -6 to -4. You are a troll; you have Thermographic Vision. In full darkness you have only -3, so Blind-Fighting does jack.

I would drop both Cool Resolve and Blind-Fighting for Improved Physical Attribute (Agility).

You can do better on the guns front. What you probably want to be doing is dual-wielding SMGs, and use your Ambidexterity to do one burst as a simple action and then a second burst with the other gun as your second simple action, in order to keep recoil manageable. This lets you use High Velocity weapons (see Arsenal) without needing crazy cyberware. I would suggest something along the lines of the following:

2 Ingram SuperMachs with Stick-n-Shock
2 Ares Executive Protectors with Ex-ex
2 Ares Crusaders
2 Ares Alpha

This gives you options for tasing people (supermachs), murder and/or inobvious weapons (executive protector), concealable (crusader), and long-range (alpha; note you take -1 while dual-wielding them). Mod them with HV (except for the Supermach, which is already HV), slap on Gas-Vents and a bit of recoil-compensating mods to get them up to 5 RC, and you are good to go. You should probably get Chameleon Coating on the crusaders.

[Sichr]

While Incompetent (Archery) is a tad cheesy if you clearly are never going to use a bow,

I have no idea what you're speaking about. >_>

Study materials

http://forums.shadowrun4.com/index.php?topic=6302.0

[Ted Fast]

That was a really interesting thread, thanks for the link. 

So moral of the thread: Ask your GM how he/she/it feels about negative qualitys before you pink up any.

[Marak1972]

ok so how is this now.
Name: N/A    Alias: Marak   Archetype: Adept Gunslinger      Metatype:  Troll (40)
Sex: M      Age: 27   Nationality: N/A   Karma Spent: 0   Build: 400 BP
                  Attributes (150)
Body: 7(20)   Agility: 4[5](30)   Reaction: 5 (7) (20)   Strength: 5 (0)
Charisma: 2(10)   Intuition: 4(30)   Logic: 2(10)      Willpower: 4(30)
Edge:    1   Magic: 5(  )   [30]Essence: 6
Initiative: 8 (9)      Passes: 1 (2)

Armor:  Formfitting Body Armor- full 6/2 [1600], Vashon Island Steampunk Overcoat  3/3[1000]
Moonsilver Line Scarf +1/0 [500],
Securetech PPP (Forearm Guards +0/+1 [200], Legs & Arm +1/+1 [350], Vitals +1/+1 [200]
Shin Guards +0/+1 [150]
 
Physical Condition: 12   Stun Condition: 10
               Qualities
Adept (5 BP), Ambidextrous (5BP),  ,Magic Resistance level 1 (10BP), Aptitude – Mechanics (10BP)
Mild addiction to Caff-Pow (+5 BP), Allergy - Silver(Uncommon), Moderate (+10), Incompetent (Hacking) +5(Negotiation)+5,

Active Skills      (130)            
Athletics Skill group       4 [40]         
Automatics                  
(Automatics Improved ability)6 (7) [24]      
Etiquette (Street)      2(+2) [10]      
                                 
                     
Perception (Visual)      3 (+2)   [14]      
Pilot : ground         2[8]
Stealth skill Group        2 [8]
Unarmed                        2 [8]
Knowledge Skills spent just the free slots)
English N     Spanish 2
Local Area Gangs                           2
Firearms Design      4
Firearms History      2
Safehouse Locations      4
Security Procedures:       3               

                                                  Adept Powers
Combat Sense  1 (.5)   Improved Ability (Automatics) 1 (.5), Quick-draw (.5), Improved reflexes 1 (2) , Improved Physical Attribute – Agility 1 [1] , Motion Sense (.5)
               
Lifestyle permanent 40 000
Area E Street (0) Plastic Jungle   
Comforts Middle (3)   
Entertainment Low (2)      
Furnishings Squatter (1)
Security luxury (5)         
Space luxury (5)
Defensive set-up (+.6), Escape Tunnel (+.10),Masterful engineering (+.05), Helpful Neighbors (+.05), Hasty Access (+.05)
Portal in closet (-.05), Underpaid security (-.15), Rough Neighborhood (-.15), Unreliable Security level 2 (-.1), Victory Gardens (Plastic Jungles/ -2)
Gear [30 BP|/150,000 Nuyen]
(I know I still have a bit of money to spend I think unless I really screwed up on calculations)

2 Ingram Super Mach w/ stick n shock, modded with ,gas vent II [200] (+2 recoil comp) , – 4P, SA/FA, 5(6) RC, 60 ( c), 975+200x2=2350
2 Ares Exec Protectors w/ Ex explosive ammo, extended clip [500], 5P, SA/BF/FA, RC (3), 40 (c ), 1000+500x2=3000
2 Ares Alpha 6P,  -1 AP, SA/BF/FA, 2 RC, 42 (c ), 1700x2=3400
2 Ares Crusader – Machine Pistol- 4P, SA/BF,  2 RC, 40 ( c), 700- chameleon coating[1000] 3400
Stick n Shock Ammo 4 [80/box], Reg rounds 10 boxes (20/box), Gel rounds 10 boxes(30/box),
Ex Explosive rounds (2) 100/box,
Flash bang grenade 30 , Frag grenade35 , 4 concealable holsters 75 each,  , Plasteel Restaints 2 (50/),Tag eraser , SMG B/R tool kit, Assault rifle Tool kit, And shops for both (1100)
, Climbing Gear (200), GPS (200), Flashlight (25), 10 Light Sticks (50)
Medkit (Rating 6)(600) medkit supplies (50 each) 10 , Survival Kit (100), Antidote Patches R6 (10)
, Doc wagon Gold 25,000 per year, Gecko Tape Gloves(250), Rappelling Gloves (70)
Grapple Gun 500, Microwire (200m) (50/100m)-100, Stealth Rope (200m) (85/100m) - 170
Catalyst Stick (120/) 10
Contacts (Rating 3 w/ Image Link, Low Light Vision, and Smartlink)
Goggles (Rating 4 w/ Image Link, Low Light Vision, Smartlink, And Vision Enhancement [Rating 3])
Earbuds (Rating 3 w/ Audio Enhancement [Rating 3])
Commlink(s)
Hermes Ikon – 4 response 3 signal (3000) – Iris Orb OS -3 firewall 3 system 1000
Fairlight Caliban – 4 resp 5 sig (8000) – Novatech Navi OS – 3 firewall 4 system 1500

Fake SIN (Rating 4, "Clyde Boxner" (7)fake gun license and 1 sin)400/license + 4000= 6800
        (Rating 4 , “Jed Gibbs” (7) fake gun license & 1 sin)400/license + 40000 =6800
Contacts (22)
Hope (3/3) Family friend & trainer , Boz Orc bartender (2/2), Dick-human armorer (2/2), Buck - Orc Fixer (2/2), Glytche- female orc hacker (1/1),


Harley Davidson Scorpion [12 000], Mercury Comet [14 000]

[UmaroVI]

I meant the full Vashon Island, not just the overcoat. In order to get full use out of your high body, you want to wear as much armor as you can without hitting encumbrance penalties.

You should mod your weapons (other than the supermachs, which are fine as-is) a bit more, by adding on HV and more recoil compensation. This is probably something you can live with waiting to do until later, though, since it does get pricey and you don't exactly have tons of stuff to spend money on as an unaugmented adept.

I think you're using the old values for the price of some adept powers. Improved Reflexes 1 is 1.5, not 2, and Improved Physical Attribute is .75, not 1.

[Marak1972]

well I am using the PDFs I have so I'm limited. So here are those changes to date . Thanks guys this is my first adept character ever. I usually play street sams, Tried one mage , a rigger and a Hacker. So delving into unknown waters to broaden my role playing chops.

Name: N/A    Alias: Marak   Archetype: Adept Gunslinger      Metatype:  Troll (40)
Sex: M      Age: 27   Nationality: N/A   Karma Spent: 0   Build: 400 BP
                  Attributes (150)
Body: 7(20)   Agility: 4[5](30)   Reaction: 5 (7) (20)   Strength: 5 (0)
Charisma: 2(10)   Intuition: 4(30)   Logic: 2(10)      Willpower: 4(30)
Edge:    1   Magic: 5(  )   [30]Essence: 6
Initiative: 8 (9)      Passes: 1 (2)

Armor:  Formfitting Body Armor- full 6/2 [1600], Moonsilver Line Scarf +1/0 [500],
Vashon Island Steampunk - Overcoat  3/3[1000] – Vest 2/2 [600] – Knickers 1/1 [400] – Shirt 1/1 [250]
4350
Securetech PPP (Forearm Guards +0/+1 [200], Legs & Arm +1/+1 [350], Vitals +1/+1 [200]
Shin Guards +0/+1 [150]  900
 
Physical Condition: 12   Stun Condition: 10
               Qualities
Adept (5 BP), Ambidextrous (5BP),  ,Magic Resistance level 1 (10BP), Aptitude – Mechanics (10BP)
Mild addiction to Caff-Pow (+5 BP), Allergy - Silver(Uncommon), Moderate (+10), Incompetent (Hacking) +5(Negotiation)+5,

Active Skills      (130)               
Athletics Skill group       4 [40]         
Automatics                  
(Automatics Improved ability)6 (7) [24]      
Etiquette (Street)      2(+2) [10]      
Perception (Visual)      2 (+2)   [14]      
Pilot : ground         2[8]
Stealth skill Group        2 [8]
Unarmed                        2 [8]

Knowledge Skills (16)
English N         Spanish           2
(Local Area) Gangs:       3
Firearms Design      4
Firearms History      2
Safehouse Locations      4
Security Procedures:       3
               Adept Powers
Combat Sense  1 (.5)   Improved Ability (Automatics) 1 (.5), Quick-draw (.5), Improved reflexes 1 (1.5) , Improved Physical Attribute – Agility 1 [.75] , Killing Hands 3 (1.5)
               
Lifestyle permanent 40 000
Area E Street (0) Plastic Jungle   
Comforts Middle (3)   
Entertainment Low (2)      
Furnishings Squatter (1)
Security luxury (5)         
Space luxury (5)
Defensive set-up (+.6), Escape Tunnel (+.10),Masterful engineering (+.05), Helpful Neighbors (+.05), Hasty Access (+.05)
Portal in closet (-.05), Underpaid security (-.15), Rough Neighborhood (-.15), Unreliable Security level 2 (-.1), Victory Gardens (Plastic Jungles/ -2)
Gear [30 BP|/150,000 Nuyen]
(I know I still have a bit of money to spend I think unless I really screwed up on calculations)

2 Ingram Super Mach w/ stick n shock, modded with ,gas vent II [200] (+2 recoil comp) , – 4P, SA/FA, 5(6) RC, 60 ( c), 975+200x2=2350
2 Ares Exec Protectors w/ Ex explosive ammo, extended clip [500], 5P, SA/BF/FA, RC (3), 40 (c ), 1000+500x2=3000
2 Ares Alpha 6P,  -1 AP, SA/BF/FA, 2 RC, 42 (c ), 1700x2=3400
2 Ares Crusader – Machine Pistol- 4P, SA/BF,  2 RC, 40 ( c), 700- chameleon coating[1000] 3400
Stick n Shock Ammo 4 [80/box], Reg rounds 10 boxes (20/box), Gel rounds 10 boxes(30/box),
Ex Explosive rounds (2) 100/box,
Flash bang grenade 30 , Frag grenade35 , 4 concealable holsters 75 each,  , Plasteel Restaints 2 (50/),Tag eraser , SMG B/R tool kit, Assault rifle Tool kit, And shops for both (1100)
, Climbing Gear (200), GPS (200), Flashlight (25), 10 Light Sticks (50)
Medkit (Rating 6)(600) medkit supplies (50 each) 10 , Survival Kit (100), Antidote Patches R6 (10)
, Doc wagon Gold 25,000 per year, Gecko Tape Gloves(250), Rappelling Gloves (70)
Grapple Gun 500, Microwire (200m) (50/100m)-100, Stealth Rope (200m) (85/100m) - 170
Catalyst Stick (120/) 10
Contacts (Rating 3 w/ Image Link, Low Light Vision, and Smartlink)
Goggles (Rating 4 w/ Image Link, Low Light Vision, Smartlink, And Vision Enhancement [Rating 3])
Earbuds (Rating 3 w/ Audio Enhancement [Rating 3])
Commlink(s)
Hermes Ikon – 4 response 3 signal (3000) – Iris Orb OS -3 firewall 3 system 1000
Fairlight Caliban – 4 resp 5 sig (8000) – Novatech Navi OS – 3 firewall 4 system 1500

Fake SIN (Rating 4, "Clyde Boxner" (7)fake gun license and 1 sin)400/license + 4000= 6800
        (Rating 4 , “Jed Gibbs” (7) fake gun license & 1 sin)400/license + 40000 =6800
Contacts (22)
Hope (3/3) Family friend & trainer , Boz Orc bartender (2/2), Dick-human armorer (2/2), Buck - Orc Fixer (2/2), Glytche- female orc hacker (1/1),


Harley Davidson Scorpion [12 000], Mercury Comet [14 000]

[Morg]

I said they would straiten out  your characters if you posted it Marak. Grats on your first adept now you just have to get on a play by post I use http://www.myth-weavers.com/forumhome.php or you can play by post here you just need to set up an account at http://invisiblecastle.com/.

see you Sunday