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« Reply #105 on: <04-14-12/1822:58> »
1824 was worse.

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« Reply #106 on: <04-14-12/1846:43> »
Canada's system isn't much better.  At least we have a paper trail, however.  And a system set up that's so simple anyone can figure it out.  "If you can make an 'X', you're my kind of people!"
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« Reply #107 on: <04-14-12/1850:29> »
CanRay did you just toss your hat into the ring for President or Mayor or whatever y'all have up there?  ;)
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« Reply #108 on: <04-14-12/1850:54> »
Growing up with old Marvel comics, I have a special place in my heart for "What If?" scenarios, so I was wondering: What if Dunkelzahn never died?

Now, I know that his death was related somehow to trying to stop the Horrors through something called the Dragonheart, but let's examine a few alternate scenarios:


1. Dunkelzahn returns in the mid to late 2070's, restored by some weird Artifact or other that the Draco Foundation located. What would he do? How would the other GD's react?

2. Dunkelzahn's death was faked, and he has been behind the Draco Foundation all along. What has he been doing all this time?

3. Dunkelzahn's death never happened. He either survived the explosion, or the explosion never happened. What would an active, public Dunkelzahn with the might of the UCAS behind him have done? How might the 2070's look differeng if this occurred?

1. I think the other Great Dragons would either go after him with everything if his  Resurrection wasn't planned or say " 'bout time you came back, I am keeping everything you gave me."If resurrecting is something a great Dragon can do.

I am a firm believer in magic or enough magic can do just about anything. So it might be entirely possible he gets reborn or gets resurrected. A whole bunch of religious dogma would come back with him. Dunkie did not give everything of his away publicly in his will so he would have a considerable amount of stuff left especially if it was planned.

 2. If it was  faked he would be better off not appearing. Everything that was done in his name would be ridiculed or destroyed if it was proven his assassination was faked. Jealous great dragons, jealous of his popularity would definitely expose him or anti-Dragon policlubs would try and have a field day.

 3.UCAS Could become a new  Camelot, if and it is a big if, he is successful in getting positive achievements for the citizens. Many things could derail his presidency everything from a major terrorist attack to clever manipulation of events by rivals, whether they be Dragon, AI, Spirit  or metahuman. It is very rare that a president while he is in office is proclaimed a hero. While it is very often presidents are proclaimed idiots or incompetent during their presidency. It would basically have to be history that decide whether his presidency was good or not.
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« Reply #109 on: <04-14-12/1852:23> »
That's over 75% voter turnout.  About a third higher than typical for presidential elections.  And that was after the population went through another voter fraud election.    Now if you factor out the votes for Dunklezahn, it comes right back in line with the typical voter turn out.  Seems legit...

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« Reply #110 on: <04-14-12/1857:09> »
1. He tries to stop the other greats from fighting and fails.

2. He stays out of the spotlight and continues on his life as Skip Goodheart.

3. The opposite of dystopia and he eats the New Revolution for lunch, literally.
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« Reply #111 on: <04-14-12/1911:04> »
That's over 75% voter turnout.  About a third higher than typical for presidential elections.  And that was after the population went through another voter fraud election.    Now if you factor out the votes for Dunklezahn, it comes right back in line with the typical voter turn out.  Seems legit...
Especially with an election where you have a dragon actually running for office. When Obama ran in '08, there was an increased turnout as well, for similar reasons. First of its kind, historic run, and all that. I'd imagine there was fairly high voter turnout when Colloton ran, as well, being the hero of both the Arcology and stomping on the New Revolution.
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« Reply #112 on: <04-14-12/1913:28> »
CanRay did you just toss your hat into the ring for President or Mayor or whatever y'all have up there?  ;)
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No, I didn't.  As soon as the skeletons come out of my closet, I'll either be a shoe-in for PM, or arrested.  ...  Or both.

I mean, hell, we had a Member of Parliament that had been exiled from the country for awhile!  Apparently he had the balls to show up one day and sign the register as present...
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« Reply #113 on: <04-15-12/0523:36> »
That's over 75% voter turnout.  About a third higher than typical for presidential elections.  And that was after the population went through another voter fraud election.    Now if you factor out the votes for Dunklezahn, it comes right back in line with the typical voter turn out.  Seems legit...

None of the fiction etc has even implied it was anything but legit.  Big D was a combination of Obama and Oprah.  Representing hope and stablity and such.. plus like every successful politician, he was backed by some major powers (or rather he backed him self, what with him being a major power as it turned out..)  And even then it was close, a lot of UCAS citizens weren't ready for a metahuman, let along a Dragon president.  It was a messed up race, with insect spirits, toxics and at least one canditate who wasn't who he thought he was (and he still came second...)
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« Reply #114 on: <04-15-12/0534:52> »


A lot of good ideas in here. And great thoughts as well. I have to agree wholeheartedly with #1. The other great dragons, even his allies, have been forced to deal with the Draco foundation ordeal and then move their own plans forward. Having Dunkelzahn back would certainly toss some spanners in some engine works, for which they may not be wholly thankful.

I like your take on #2, roughly what I saw as likely in the event of a fake-out as well. Gonna have to chew on #3 a bit. I agree the media would eventually latch onto his Draconic traits as the means to crucify his terms but really have not thought about what his terms may have been like..


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I wonder what Big D would actually do in power as well... you known, the more mundane things that a President does, like.. policy.  Does the UCAS become more efficent, does he reform health care? curb corporate power? rebuild the military (maybe, maybe not), improve education (most certainly I think).  What was his policy platform beyond, 'I'm a Dragon, I care, and oh, I'm not the other guys'.    Is he an international president, travelly the world and bring peace to... somewhere war-torn (shouldnt be hard to find). (Actually, I think not, because to do so would bring conflict with other Dragons, however indirectly). Or does he show up in small cities (do they have towns anymore?) and do the whole town hall thing that Americans seem to like? Open a factory and things like that?  Does he recruit that dwarf eco-activist (forgotten his name for the moment) to his cabinet?

Oh, do UCAS (or USA for lack of information) politicians need to declare their financial interests?  To avoid conflicts of interests and such?  And do they need to move ownership from themselves, like give to their partners or a trust they dont manage?  Because he had a lot of stock and a lot of potential conflicts of interests.  Specially when your involved in foreign policy and the country your in negotiations is Aztlan and your a board member of the national corporation Aztechnology...

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« Reply #115 on: <04-15-12/0730:06> »
I wonder what Big D would actually do in power as well... you known, the more mundane things that a President does, like.. policy.  Does the UCAS become more efficent, does he reform health care? curb corporate power? rebuild the military (maybe, maybe not), improve education (most certainly I think).  What was his policy platform beyond, 'I'm a Dragon, I care, and oh, I'm not the other guys'.    Is he an international president, travelly the world and bring peace to... somewhere war-torn (shouldnt be hard to find). (Actually, I think not, because to do so would bring conflict with other Dragons, however indirectly). Or does he show up in small cities (do they have towns anymore?) and do the whole town hall thing that Americans seem to like? Open a factory and things like that?  Does he recruit that dwarf eco-activist (forgotten his name for the moment) to his cabinet?

Invest in small business, encourage innovation and inventiveness of the individual metahuman, roll back megacorporate power, and offer the SINless amnesty to earn a SIN among other things. Some of it came to pass in one way or another while Haeffner was President, but he also had to deal with the corp war, Bug City, Deus, and Ghostwalker's return.


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Oh, do UCAS (or USA for lack of information) politicians need to declare their financial interests?  To avoid conflicts of interests and such?  And do they need to move ownership from themselves, like give to their partners or a trust they dont manage?  Because he had a lot of stock and a lot of potential conflicts of interests.  Specially when your involved in foreign policy and the country your in negotiations is Aztlan and your a board member of the national corporation Aztechnology...


Currently, it depends on the office. Presidents have to put their holdings in a blind trust. Meanwhile, Congress still hasn't passed the law forbidding its members from using inside information gained as a part of their job for their own personal gain. Federal judges and justices have to recuse themselves or face disciplinary action where a case involves their financial interests. Everyone has to report their assets annually in a rather detailed report. Of course, this is a quick and dirty rundown, and it only applies to the U.S. There are 125,000 elected officials in the U.S. at the three major levels (federal, state + county, municipal) and the rest, and every political subdivision has a different set of ethical rules.


In the UCAS, this was touched on in Dragons of the Sixth World about Nadja Daviar but it basically comes down to this: She was Vice President of the UCAS, chair of the largest tax-exempt organization in American history, and a board member of Ares Macrotechnology. So ... No, there basically are no real ethical rules anymore.

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« Reply #116 on: <04-15-12/0830:56> »
Bah!  The SINless can get a SIN, all they have to do is a few stretches in the Military!  What's 20-years of your life for citizenship for your family?  :P  *Cough*Orc's Lifetime*Cough*
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« Reply #117 on: <04-15-12/0926:18> »
Bah!  The SINless can get a SIN, all they have to do is a few stretches in the Military!  What's 20-years of your life for citizenship for your family?  :P  *Cough*Orc's Lifetime*Cough*

Actually, I thought it was one full tour and you get your SIN at the end of it whether you re-up or not.
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« Reply #118 on: <04-15-12/1005:54> »
Bah!  The SINless can get a SIN, all they have to do is a few stretches in the Military!  What's 20-years of your life for citizenship for your family?  :P  *Cough*Orc's Lifetime*Cough*
Actually, I thought it was one full tour and you get your SIN at the end of it whether you re-up or not.
And you believed the Recruiting Officer???   ::)
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« Reply #119 on: <04-15-12/2009:48> »
Bah!  The SINless can get a SIN, all they have to do is a few stretches in the Military!  What's 20-years of your life for citizenship for your family?  :P  *Cough*Orc's Lifetime*Cough*

Actually, I thought it was one full tour and you get your SIN at the end of it whether you re-up or not.

I never thought about this but it would be an interesting game where the premise is you have some semi experienced shadowrunners that for different reasons decide or are recruited into the UCAS military as a specialist "government shadowrun" military unit. I actually think after I get my feet wet playing a bit I'm going to run that campaign it would be rather fun I think. Imagine something like Mission Impossible or Division(Nikita) in the world of shadowrun. It wouldn't be as freelance as normal runs but you would also get more resources.

 

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