[Krys]

Sorry for the doublepost.

Just phoned with my GM, and he told me that he'd prefer if I reduced edge to the min, given that I'm new to SR (don't ask me, I didn't quite understand why).

EDG min for Pixies was 1, right, despite max 7?

[UmaroVI]

Yes, I'd definitely rather cut Agility than Edge.

[Krys]

Any suggestion on good arguments for my GM? As said, he argued that EDG is rather difficult to handle for a SR newb.

[Blue_Lion]

Any suggestion on good arguments for my GM? As said, he argued that EDG is rather difficult to handle for a SR newb.

Actualy on the  sustaining fucus you can get around them real cheep if you use summuing, and can sumun a spirt of man. At force three they get optional power with a choice of spell you know. So instead of a sustaining fucus at sumon a spirt and have it sustain the spell. As a favor it cast the spell at its force level so get enofe sumuning skill that you can sumon a force 4 spirt and you are all set. Trid phantasim is a genral use illion spell, maybe spels like hot potoatoe or maybe one that makes people think they got creepy cralers on them. Also orgy can take people out of the fight. If you want to be a trixter spels like animate help. Invisbilty is another usefull spell for hiding you and friends and hey look you spirt of man can do that for you. (this whould take the fucus off direct spell casting and put it on spirts as well like you want.)

Chamelion on gear is bad idea for a race with bug wings, as it needs to cover the whole boady whould a spirt using concealment stack with your natural not shure. (yes i know you fly by manuplating mana but covering your wings with something can still damage them.)

most gear is not realy proper for you so combat whould be done with spells at lest take one spell to defend yourself. think about it at your size a comlink is like the size of a laptop you whould need it customised to be in harness for you, to spread the bulk. Every peace of gear you use most likely will have to be custmized more than even metahuman adaption.  Your glasses for your comlink probaly will only have the slots for contacts at the size you need. Guns are out of the question as none whould be practical to use.

[UmaroVI]

Any suggestion on good arguments for my GM? As said, he argued that EDG is rather difficult to handle for a SR newb.

Edge is good for not dying and for getting you out of messes.

[Krys]

I asked again ... it seems he is afraid that I might have crazy ideas and those could work due to using edge *laugh* I'm afraid my arguments will fall on deaf ears, due to his irrational fears. I asked the others as well, he seems to have made a similar rules for the other players of the group as well. :/ Sigh, a lucky pixie would be great.

[UmaroVI]

Some GMs have an irrational hate-on for particular things. If your GM really hates edge, don't have it...but don't have Agility, either. Get other nice things.

[Krys]

I'll try again tomorrow to sell Edge to him (with my best puppy eyes).

Umaro, could you have a look at v0.12 as is (ignoring the attributes) and give me a few more hints?

[UmaroVI]

I don't see any major problems aside from the attributes.

Sensitive System is legal on pixies; if your GM complains you can change it. Computer Illiterate really isn't, though. Something like Incompetence (Hardware) maybe? That's actually limiting.

Astral Chameleon is a fairly iffy quality.

Being better at skills would be cool, but that depends on how much you end up with free after attribute cutting.

Possession vs. Materialization is complicated. Materialization is simpler and easier to use, Possession permits various dirty tricks. Possession is only a good choice if you are willing to mess around with Binding and with securing good vessels for the spirits you summon (those being [expensive] homonculi, or dead heavily cybered metahumans, mostly). If you go Possession, you really need Enchanting and Binding. If you don't, you might want Binding but you may also want to wait on it. The reason for this is that low-force Possession spirits are quite good in good vessels and are much better than low-force Materialization spirits.

A good spell selection, assuming your GM doesn't allow spell design shenanigans, would be something like:

Stunbolt, take your pick of single-target P-damage elemental spell that's not Fire or Lightning, Mind Probe, Extended Detect Life, Physical Mask, Increased Reflexes, Control Thoughts, Influence, Orgy, and up to 3 more. You might want Increase Body, and just suck up the -2 sustaining penalty, as a way to pull off the not dying until you can buy your body up.

You really want a force 3 sustaining (health) focus for Increased Reflexes.

[Krys]

I don't see any major problems aside from the attributes.

Yeah, I'm still at work with the GM over the attributes. Would you consider AGi 3 to be enough for a swift pixie? Would be easiest to just scratch all additional AGI, but I'm not sure yet, if a pixie with the average agility of a human fits with my basic impression.

Sensitive System is legal on pixies; if your GM complains you can change it.

This apparently is not a problem for him, actually he told me that it's a good idea for a player new to SR, to skip on one row of augmentations alltogether.

Computer Illiterate really isn't, though. Something like Incompetence (Hardware) maybe? That's actually limiting.

It is intended as a temporary stopper, to explain why Aurelie is having such a trouble with even this rather intuitive technology. Would Uneducated cover this completely already? Cause then I'd look for another, non tech related quality.

Astral Chameleon is a fairly iffy quality.

Like useless? What would you suggest instead?

Being better at skills would be cool, but that depends on how much you end up with free after attribute cutting.

If I cut AGI completely, I'll end up with 3 BP left for other stuff. Not much, probably just enough for some cheap equipment.

Possession vs. Materialization is complicated. Materialization is simpler and easier to use, Possession permits various dirty tricks. Possession is only a good choice if you are willing to mess around with Binding and with securing good vessels for the spirits you summon (those being [expensive] homonculi, or dead heavily cybered metahumans, mostly). If you go Possession, you really need Enchanting and Binding. If you don't, you might want Binding but you may also want to wait on it. The reason for this is that low-force Possession spirits are quite good in good vessels and are much better than low-force Materialization spirits.

Well the tinkering would fit right well with Artificer, wouldn't it? ... So possession is mostly useless for the char as is, but would fit in (maybe) with what she could become? But I don't want to go into necromancy ... so it would be more alike magical drones.

A good spell selection, assuming your GM doesn't allow spell design shenanigans, would be something like:

Stunbolt, take your pick of single-target P-damage elemental spell that's not Fire or Lightning, Mind Probe, Extended Detect Life, Physical Mask, Increased Reflexes, Control Thoughts, Influence, Orgy, and up to 3 more. You might want Increase Body, and just suck up the -2 sustaining penalty, as a way to pull off the not dying until you can buy your body up.

Sounds very good. I'll just have to skip on the P-damage spells, as the char is intended as pacifist, and we've got a damage dealer mage already (the powergamer) who would protest if I tried to compete.

You really want a force 3 sustaining (health) focus for Increased Reflexes.

I'll look it up.

[UmaroVI]

Uneducated covers Computer Illiterate already, and actually now that I think about it, it also covers Incompetence (Hardware) because Hardware is Technical. Oops. Yeah, I would hunt for another quality. Note that you can take more metagenic qualities than your SURGE's minimum and they overflow, ie, you can take say Impaired Attribute (Strength) for those last 5.

I'd spend the points you put into Astral Chameleon on skills or that focus or something else.

The P-damage spell is so you can stop drones and vehicles. You could take Wreck Vehicle instead.

[JustADude]

The P-damage spell is so you can stop drones and vehicles. You could take Wreck Vehicle instead.

A picky GM might make you take Wreck Drone and Wreck Vehicle separately, though, so be sure to check on that.

[Krys]

After talking a bit more with my GM directly (till now most communication was going through PJ, my helpful power-gamer), I got this answer:

Hej K.

After reading your mail, it seems that the fire-mage [PJ] forgot to mention a few important things.

the group started at 450 BP, and advanced to 100 karma. To allow your char to jump in on equal footing, I had decreed for you to start at 500 BP.
due to the very young age and lacking general education, I raised the limit (and requirement for your char) for attributes to 70-75%, INCL. edge and magic.
you are allowed to take qualities for 45 BP, positive as well as negative.
technological qualities, skills, spells, foci and such are off-limits to you.
keep your equipment down to what could be expected from a bronze age kingdom

Now after taking the miscommunication into account, and reading through the whole part about edge, I have come to a slight change of rules:

given that you are playing a windling, you are especially exempt from our house-rule limiting edge. This house rule was mostly in place to stop a certain person from abusing edge. Though this comes with a downside as well: you are required to play a rather „luck comes to the children, stupid and drunk“ approach. And please expect no mercy in the way I'll use this for comic effect in-game.
I'd strongly suggest to increase the logic attribute of your char, and if only to be able to answer to the fire-mage's snobbistic insults. The raised attribute limit should allow o do so.
Keep AGI up. Yes, it is a useless attribute to your character, but it fits the storyline. Alternatively I could dock you 40 BP very evil grin
your choice of patron sounds interesting, but please remember that me, the GM, will decide his motivations, thus you are rather limited in your char development to what fits that ide
Please stay away from combat spells and skills. I've got already 3 combat monsters, I need someone sane, to help out our technomancer.
A new tradition is fine, but of course requires my explicit permission once it's done.
Use your knowledge points also for something aside languages.

Yours sincerely, A.

*sigh* couldn't they tell me all this in advance?

[Krys]

Now I'm even more confused what exactly I should do. HELp please

[UmaroVI]

"technological qualities, skills, spells, foci and such are off-limits to you."

I'm assuming this means, like, no Monofilament Whip weapon focus, and no Detect Commlink, not "no skills, spells, or foci, and no technological qualities."

With 500 BP, you can afford to have Agility that you don't really need. I don't recommend softcapping it, but at least it does help Infiltration.

If you want to stay really light on the self-defense, you could maybe get away with something like Orgy and Bugs (or any of the single-target variants).

Logic is kinda of iffy value to you, and I'm not honestly sure why you'd have it. Paris Hilton probably doesn't have a high logic, and it's book-learning, not street-smarts. It does, however, set a limit for the maximum number of active foci you can have, so having, say, 3-4 wouldn't be a waste longterm. You'll probably want a Centering Focus and possibly another Sustaining focus.