[Shango]

Actually the whole "We need to take him alive, use SnS." *burst fire* "Umm... he's dead." amuses me to no end. I had to stop play for a good while and would burst out laughing throughout the night because of it. Add in some fryings of internal commlinks with needed info and it becomes less attractive.

I don't agree with it but some argue that if you use less lethal ammo so will the opposition. (Who checks that in a firefight? Seriously?) Runners who get taken alive don't have much fun.

Ya know, we just finished a game tonight, and one of my players made a really good roll with her stick and shock on a guy who had already taken 9 stun. He overflowed to 10 body. Good thing she had a trama patch.

I guess I really shouldn't complain to much. My players are really roleplaying the young shadow runners (average character age around 20) who really don't want to get a blood thirsty rep.

-Erich

[Makki]

the biggest problem I sometimes face with my taser is range.

[beowulf_of_wa]

Tasers require certain occupations and insurance in Canada.  But we have really, really strange weapon laws.

i blame the british influence, deferring to the queen and and all things british law, and all that.


could be worse, could be all things french.

[Morg]

could be worse, could be all things french.

sadly we get a lot of that in Canada as well

[Angelone]

Actually the whole "We need to take him alive, use SnS." *burst fire* "Umm... he's dead." amuses me to no end. I had to stop play for a good while and would burst out laughing throughout the night because of it. Add in some fryings of internal commlinks with needed info and it becomes less attractive.

I don't agree with it but some argue that if you use less lethal ammo so will the opposition. (Who checks that in a firefight? Seriously?) Runners who get taken alive don't have much fun.

Ya know, we just finished a game tonight, and one of my players made a really good roll with her stick and shock on a guy who had already taken 9 stun. He overflowed to 10 body. Good thing she had a trama patch.

I guess I really shouldn't complain to much. My players are really roleplaying the young shadow runners (average character age around 20) who really don't want to get a blood thirsty rep.

-Erich

There's nothing wrong with that, it could lead to some interesting experiences where somebody they spared does "insert horrible thing here". How would the characters feel about it? Stuff like that.

My group mixes it up sometimes we go into full "Let's do the whole village!" mode and sometimes it's only half the village 

On topic, it really depends on your players and their characters. My current character (Yes CanRay, I play and GM) has a similar mindset to Rigger X where if somebody could possibly jeopardize the mission they are going down hard.

Tasers and SnS are good mechanically but I don't find them dominating ammo loadouts.

[CanRay]

My current character (Yes CanRay, I play and GM) has a similar mindset to Rigger X where if somebody could possibly jeopardize the mission they are going down hard.

Bastards the lot of you!!!   

[Reaver]

It ain't the damage code of S'n'S ammo (capped at 5s no matter the weapon IIRC) it's the electrical damage. And I don't usually have a problem with it... Unlit players start using for easy kills (KO them then slice up the helpless)

It's their 'right' I guess... Just as long as they understand word gets around... And payback is a real evil bitch!

But sometimes you DO need that guy alive, and a taser or SnS is the way to go!

Besides, from a career perspective, what would you rather go down for? 300 assault and battery charges (taser) or 300 murder chargers (ex-ex ammo!) the smart runner goes with the first one, does his 10 years (probably the max he would get) in a min security jail, comes out and drops off the face of the world (thank you mr. Hacker).

[JustADude]

But sometimes you DO need that guy alive, and a taser or SnS is the way to go!

Just be sure you don't do 20+ Stun to a guy with most of his Physical track gone. Then you end up with a Stick'n'Shock round lodged somewhere in his frontal lobe.

Don't laugh. It happened a couple weeks ago. Our Jewish Ninja Elf Sniper can't seem to not one-shot-kill people.

[Crash_00]

And for the love of god, if you want him alive don't forget to switch to Stick and Shock. Nothing says, "Whoops...owned," like planting an APDS from a barret through the guys skull that you wanted to question.

[JustADude]

And for the love of god, if you want him alive don't forget to switch to Stick and Shock. Nothing says, "Whoops...owned," like planting an APDS from a barret through the guys skull that you wanted to question.

Hey, be fair! The one time that particular mix-up happened wasn't a time we were trying to question the guy, specifically. There were plenty of other victims for us to interrogate.

[Crash_00]

Well, would have been at least ya. 

The look on his face when he realized was absolutely priceless though. Gotta love wall of shame trophies. I'm still absolutely shocked at how many people have accidentally been killed with SnS ammo in that game though. I blame missions for giving people such low armor ratings.

[JustADude]

I blame missions for giving people such low armor ratings.

Well, really, it is realistic. The heaviest armor I've seen in the books that you can wear "casually" without gimicky layering, supplementary protection and tailored gear (i.e. FormFit, PPP and Softweave ) is something like 7/7 for Steampunk or 8/6 for an Armor Jacket.

I really doubt most of the Gangers and thugs you deal with in Missions aren't going to be on the same level of Adequately Cautious (like paranoia, but they really are out to get you) as a Runner when thinking about their apparel... assuming they can even afford that stuff.

EDIT: Corrected "...are going to be..." to "...aren't going to be...". Very, very important difference there.

[CanRay]

When it's hard to make your next meal, even armoured clothing is beyond your reach...

[JustADude]

When it's hard to make your next meal, even armoured clothing is beyond your reach...

Whereas Runners will blow through enough money to pay for several months of a nice, cushy Low lifestyle, the kind where you have a pad we First World dwellers would consider run-down-but-livable, instead of the drekholes the these Gangers live in, and call it cheap. I mean, seriously, if you can afford a Cybernaut with System & Firewall 9 and a couple high-end programs, you've already spent more than you'd need to retire comfortably.

I guess what I'm saying is that Runners are definitely on the right side of the Bell Curve when it comes to their abilities and budgets, and Missions pretty well reflects that.

[CanRay]

When it's hard to make your next meal, even armoured clothing is beyond your reach...

Whereas Runners will blow through enough money to pay for a couple months of a nice, cushy Middle lifestyle, the kind of luxury that these Gangers only dream of, and call it cheap because they're used to thinking in terms of 1,000¥ increments and make the readies to back up that thinking.

Not to mention all the money blown on NovaCoke snorted off of strippers.