[All4BigGuns]

That's kind of the point of Edge. I can't quite believe that the intent was for one use to utterly negate the primary benefit of Edge, while none of the others (that actually involve rolling dice) do so.

[Mirikon]

AFAIK, the only tests involving Edge where the Rule of Six does not apply is when making a Long Shot test where your dice pool has been reduced to 0 or less. The relevant rules are on pages 62 and 74 of SR4A. There is only one use of Edge in a test that specifically denies the use of the Rule of Six, though a couple others restrict it or expand it in some way. Since it doesn't say anything either way on the line involving re-rolling failures, and explicitly denies the use of the Rule in another use on the next line, I would say that the rule of Six applies.

[vinnmun]

Sorry! I was thinking white, but silver came out. Given that there are elves that actually have silver hair, I guess it's an important distinction.

You don't get exploding dice when re-rolling misses, so only 1 hit counts.

Not everyone is quite synched up in time yet. Specifically, I'm assuming Grind got to Dante's last, and the others are already inside when he meets the host.

Just cue me when proper.

[eighth circuit]

I know the wording is ambiguous, but I'm gonna say it doesn't apply. I searched the forums and found a thread about this, where the general consensus was that it doesn't. But if you need further convincing:

Attached is a table of expected numbers of hits, for dice pools between 6-12 and edge 1-6. In the top table, the cases in which re-rolling beats adding edge before the roll are highlighted, without rule of 6 for re-rolls. The bottom chart is the same, except that the rule of 6 is used for re-rolls. As you can see, In the first case it's a wash, 50/50. In the second case, re-rolling has a clear advantage. If anything, it should be spending edge beforehand which gets an advantage, since you're doing it before you know the results. Allowing the rule of 6 for re-rolls would throw off the balance.

[eighth circuit]

Grind is in, but let's wait for Menzo before moving on. You around, commabandit?

[All4BigGuns]

Not arguing the point any further, but I will say that situations like this are one reason why I tend not to waste many points buying up Edge. Too much of an expendable resource that costs far too much for something that can be interpreted so many different ways it seems.

[Mirikon]

Eighth, that's a great thought, if your characters are all edgemonkies. But most characters I've seen have an edge in the 1-2 range. In this case, I would rule by "What is most fun for the group as a whole?" In general, allowing the Rule of Six for any rolls involving Edge where it doesn't say otherwise is most fun. And since edge doesn't show up that often, due to people not having much edge, that's not unbalancing. But your game, your rules. I just know that if I'd built an edgemonkey, I'd be pissed as all hell right now.

[thecommabandit]

Rolling Etiquette when my Charisma is reduced from being up too late? Whelp, I'm boned.

[eighth circuit]

Yeah, even if you get a hit it probably won't be enough to convince Byron. You could use edge, though as a mage you do have other options.

[thecommabandit]

Since I'm still learning, how would I go about casting a spell without letting him know? I've got Control Emotions, which should do fine, but I don't particularly want to get caught doing it.

[eighth circuit]

Normally, you can cast a spell without anyone noticing, unless they make a perception test. However, your distinctive style flaw means anyone can easily notice you casting a spell. Then again, if you make him like you enough he may not mind.

Alternatively, you could summon a spirit of man (before you enter, preferably) and have him use Influence. Of course the spirit needs to be materialized to do this, but in Hong Kong a spirit walking into a bar isn't much of a big deal. With your daytime handicap, walking around with a spirit bodyguard might not be such a bad idea anyway.

[thecommabandit]

Things really haven't gone well for Menzo. When can we start working at night? D:

[eighth circuit]

Sorry! The shadows are beholden to nobody's schedule 

[eighth circuit]

*bump*

Legwork time! What's everyone gonna do first? Feel free to discuss it some more, but there are all sorts of goons out there ready to kill you and I don't want to keep them waiting too long 

[vinnmun]

Well once I can leave the place, I was going to head back to the Spirits and find out more information. data searching some more