[Lucek]

is there a list of gun not effected by gremlins. Clearly a smart linked full auto is a no go and by my reading simple guns like a revolver would qualify as not a moderately sophisticated device.

[Blue_Lion]

is there a list of gun not effected by gremlins. Clearly a smart linked full auto is a no go and by my reading simple guns like a revolver would qualify as not a moderately sophisticated device.

No list that i know of but what it affects is a GMS call some whould have it affect all others might revew on case by base basis.

[_Pax_]

Revolvers with few/no advanced parts (meaning especially: electronics) shouldbe relatively safe.  That's the whole reason they still exist, after all: rugged durability.

But I do mean, NO ELECTRONICS.  No smartlinks, no laser sights, no fancy-schmancy nonsense.  If it involves more than two moving parts, don't get it.

Melee hardening, personalised grip, metahuman adjustment of course: all good.

[JustADude]

Also, things with the "Obsolete" quality from Gun Haven. Stuff that's so old it isn't even capable of being modded.

[CitizenJoe]

I'm gonna say needs to be cased ammo too.  The caseless uses electronic firing.

[Thrass]

I'm gonna say needs to be cased ammo too.  The caseless uses electronic firing.

That is not mutuable true.
Electronic firing uses (in almost all cases afaik) caseless ammo, but there are non electronic firing mechanisms that can be loaded with caseless ammo and imho you could even load a revolver with caseless ammo.

example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G11

[All4BigGuns]

Honestly, it's going way to far to extend the quality to the guns (except the really big stuff like assault cannons and up). Keep it simple, and don't frag over your players. Don't have the quality affect their guns.

[Walks Through Walls]

Actually if you read the gremlins quality it doesn't say it has to be really high tech it says mechanical. There have been stories of gremlins since WWI.

I base how much it effects on the level it is taken at, and the situation. If it is non-life threatening and will move the plot then I have the gremlins kick in and make things more interesting.
For example when the hacker they are meeting dies suddenly and hands the mage with gremlins 3 the data chip as the mage goes to heal him which causes it to fry or at least scramble so the group now has to do some more work to find out what was on the chip.

[Angelone]

Gremlins only effects technology that is "late 20th century or later" so you should be fine with revolvers (a 19th century technology). As others said the simpler the tech the less gremlins should effect it. How much can really go wrong with a revolver? I'm really curious I don't have much experience with them. 

[CitizenJoe]

All of my beefs against caseless go double or triple with gremlins.  They are heat sensitive, sealing problems and squib load ejection problems.  And why anyone would make a caseless revolver beyond being an art piece is beyond me. 

Revolvers are good and even the durable 1911 ACP.  Optical scopes are a go, but none of that fancy digital or light enhancing stuff.  Go with the AK-47 and Tommy gun for automatic weapons.  Drive a diesel.

[Angelone]

Now I want to make a runner that uses a revolver and drives a model T or a horse, he'd have to have a fabulous mustache. 

[_Pax_]

And why anyone would make a caseless revolver beyond being an art piece is beyond me.

  One less step to reload them during combat: no need to eject the spent cases.

Revolvers are good and even the durable 1911 ACP.

... the M-1911A?  That's not a revolver, son.  That's an autoloader.

[Angelone]

The 1911 is till not an late 20th century tech, so it should be safe from gremlins. Anything with the obsolete quality should be.

[CanRay]

Doesn't the M1911A1 jam enough on it's own to not need gremlins?  (That said, I still love the old workhorse.).

[Blue_Lion]

Now I want to make a runner that uses a revolver and drives a model T or a horse, he'd have to have a fabulous mustache.

Well ridding horse whould be possible with running wilde.