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« Reply #1965 on: <09-29-12/0216:42> »
>>>>>[Depends on the noble. Don't think all of us got our position based on money and influence. Even after the shakeup on the Council, you'd be a fool to take anyone who rose (rather than just confirming the rank given by their same-sex parent) to a rank of Count or higher lightly. I'll admit, however, that I was born a Count. Anyways, if a Tir nobleman invites you to their place out of the blue, run, unless you have pointy ears, and know them from somewhere other than the invite.

The exception to that would be anyone of Prince rank. If you know what's good for you, accept the invite. Offend a Prince, and you'll be lucky if they just make your life hell in return for the disrespect. For that reason, if, say, a dragon ever asked me to go to their lair, I'd go. Sure, a Prince might not have the raw power of a dragon, but that doesn't make them any less dangerous, or less likely to take offense. If you're coming to the attention of Princes, you're either doing something very right, or you're already in demon rat drek up to your waist.]<<<<<

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« Reply #1966 on: <09-29-12/1101:57> »
>>>>>[@Ice I keep hearing about count,duke and prince in the Tir..now iv never been there so please dont judge my question to harshly but what about countess,duchess and princess do you have those or are elves a bunch of patriarchist in Tir?If so I might make a trip there next chance I get.]<<<<<

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« Reply #1967 on: <09-29-12/1453:03> »
>>>>>[Ah, I forget that not many people know about the Tir. Well, if you searched for any of the old Shadowland files on the Tir, you could find the basic information. The "Gentry" are the common peasants. Under the old regime, they couldn't own land, and paid the highest tax rates. They also were required by law to spend one year in the Peace Force. The "Chivalry" (referred to as 'Sir' or 'Demoiselle'). All members of the Chivalry were required to serve a year in the Peace Force (though they typically enter as NCOs or low-ranked commissioned officers, instead of Privates), and they are allowed to own horses. "Nobles" (addressed as 'Lord' or 'Lady') could own land, though they could not own revenue-producing land (like apartment buildings). Nobles serve in the Peace Force, and are inducted as junior officers. At "Comital" rank (people addressed as 'Count' or 'Countess'), you can own revenue-producing land, and have the right to request an audience with the Council of Princes (though you'll wait several months for the privilege). While by law everyone of Comital rank must spend time in the Peace Force, in practice, I'm a rare exception in actually serving. "Ducal" rank (call them 'Duke' or 'Duchess' if you want to keep breathing) grants you 20 hectares of land, and exempts you from military service (though some still serve, of course). A Duke can request a meeting with the Council of Princes or the High Prince himself, and actually get the request heard in a reasonable amount of time. "Royal" rank (if you don't call them 'Prince' or 'Princess', you're looking for a slow death) grants you 200 hectares of land (on top of anything you got as a Duke), and an average stipend of 44,000 nuyen a year. You can also own land on Royal Hill. A Prince can demand a timely audience with the Council of Princes or the High Prince, and have it granted. As a note, just because you're a Prince doesn't mean you're on the Council of Princes, and anyone on the Council is automatically addressed as Prince (or High Prince), regardless of gender (hence why anyone in the Tir would, up until recently, address Hestaby as Prince Hestaby).

While we're on the subject, there are (or were, as the case may be) three major Rites in the Tir.

The Rite of Pronouncement, performed shortly after a child is born, announces the birth to the nation, and gives the child a name. Yes, this is important. Names are very important in the Tir, and don't you forget it.

The Rite of Passage is similar to certain traditions amongst Amerind cultures, or an Israeli bar mitzvah, from what I've heard. In it, an elf who has just turned 18 goes through two steps: the Bridging and the Naming. In the Bridging, the family takes the elf out into an area of unspoiled wilderness, and leaves them there for 72 hours. Though some will get on a phone and call for supplies to be delivered and other such things, most take this as a serious matter. On my Bridging, I went out into the wild with nothing but my sword and the clothes on my back.

The Naming consists of the young elf standing before his family and friends, and making a speech in Sperethiel, thanking them for raising him, and swearing oaths of loyalty to Tir Tairngir and the High Prince, amongst other things. The heart of the Rite is the self-naming, where the young elf takes a new name for himself. In Sperethiel, he greets those assembled, and the country in general, introducing himself under his new chosen name. From that point on, for all purposes, including legalities, his old name is gone. The individual known by the name given at the Rite of Pronouncement no longer exists. (And it is in poor taste to call someone by their former name, naturally.)

The Rite of Progression is perhaps the most well known of the three Rites outside the Tir. There are actually three parts to this Rite, which at one time could determine everything from what jobs you were suited for to your social rank. There was a written aptitude test, a physical test (similar to the Olympics, I guess), and lobbying by one's family and friends to gain support amongst those of higher social rank. Those who challenged the Rite could have the rank conferred to them by birth confirmed, could rise in rank, or could even fall in rank, if they performed poorly. My parents both challenged the rite shortly after my younger sister was born, and rose in rank, which is why I am a Count and not a Duke.]<<<<<

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« Reply #1968 on: <09-29-12/1645:01> »
>>>>>[ He wasn't looking for an explanation of the social process, Rakhi.

Rider, though it's socially acceptable to use 'feminine' forms of the terms, it's more socially acceptable to use the 'masculine' forms of the terms for both genders.  It's a bloody idiot who called Ni'Farra (or calls Joubert) 'Princess'.  You want to have an argument about which use is more patriarchical with them, the 'masculine' form or the diminuation implied in the feminine form, you go right ahead.  You're an idiot if you do, though. ]<<<<<
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« Reply #1969 on: <09-29-12/1649:50> »
>>>>>[ @Wyrm I think ill stick to elf girls outside of the Tir then...safer that way..probably more fun as well. ]<<<<<
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« Reply #1970 on: <09-29-12/1825:29> »
>>>>>[As I have said, Wyrm, that person no longer exists, except as a playful reminder on a fake SIN I use when I'm outside the Tir. He ceased to be when I underwent the Rite of Passage.]<<<<<

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« Reply #1971 on: <09-30-12/0050:38> »
>>>>>[ Depends on which elf girls you try to play with.  I am reasonably certain you would not enjoy time spent with me, 'Rider'. ]<<<<<
          -- Hawatari (12:40:18/09-30-2074)


>>>>>[ Depends on what you're talking about, Rakhi.  System Identification Number?  Philosophically?  Psychologically?  I think the most telling answer would be to ask your mother while she's drunk how she thinks about you.  I'd give ten to one odds in favor of her giving your birth name, not whatever you cooked up during your 'passage' - or any one of the other manipulative crowd-control 'rites' cooked up by the PTB when they put the Tir together.

If I knew then what I knew today, and could have put it together at that point (which, alas, I couldn't have), every single one of them would have gotten the shock of their very-short-from-that-point lives ... ]<<<<<
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« Reply #1972 on: <09-30-12/1357:17> »
>>>>>[ @Hawatari: Well im always polite and respectful to the girls I talk to..with my streak of luck however the few elf girls I really get along with arent into boys  "Le sigh".and no my name isint a macho joke if thats what your thinking miss. ]<<<<<
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« Reply #1973 on: <09-30-12/1425:15> »
>>>>>[Well, matrix access here is very sporadic, to say the least!

Wow! It didn't take you long to go all regretful of your past, Zork. Me, I say it's all fun and games down the rabbit hole! And well, we've been back on stage for a little more than a year, new album and all so... Yeah, it might be possible you saw us in concert.

Card, you still have woman panties that doesn't belong to you in you drawer. That should set you off for a really good time again if you decide to give them back! Hahaha!

As for Tir nobles, I only give a drek about their wallets. Some of them are reaching deep into their pockets for my services.]<<<<<
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« Reply #1974 on: <09-30-12/1940:20> »
>>>>>[Father works hard to keep Mother from getting drunk. Last time it happened, we had to rebuild a wing of the mansion.

But no, Wyrm, she calls me by my chosen name, just as she is called by hers. I know you don't buy into it, but for many in the Tir, the Rites have a profound meaning, and disrespecting them is... dangerous. By all the measures you listed, I am no longer the person I was before the Rite. I knew a shaman back in my army days, and he had undergone both the Rite and a vision quest, and he said they were quite similar.]<<<<<

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« Reply #1975 on: <10-01-12/0100:32> »
>>>>>[ We are the sum of our experiences, and changing your name can emphasize what you believe to be a major transformative experience.  But going on that theory, you aren't the person you were yesterday; does that mean you should change your name today?  (Old but popular fiction aside.)

Of course you call each other by your chosen names; all three of you slots buy into the same damn flim-flam.  I do a genetic profile on you, though ... simply put, you are who you have been, as much as you'd like to throw that away along with the name you've cast off. ]<<<<<
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« Reply #1976 on: <10-01-12/0300:41> »
>>>>>[I do not question your beliefs, Wyrm, so I would appreciate it if you would not question mine. All this bitterness makes you sound almost jealous. It really isn't seemly of one such as yourself.

Regardless, I am a very different person from who I was before my Bridging. Before then, I had never drawn blood with my blade before. I had been training practically since I could hold a sword, but never before had I taken the real thing, and cut down a living creature with it. Fighting for my life in the middle of the forest, bathing in the blood of the wild paracritters who attacked me, hearing Shark's call for the first time... The change brought on by the Rite is something you cannot understand unless you have undergone it, or a similar ritual, and taken part with an open mind.

We are more than what simple genetics says we are, and you know that. The physical structure is wholly different from who we truly are. Genetics does not type your personality, your soul, your Talent. I am sorry if you are so limited by your rigid cynicism so that you cannot grasp the truth.]<<<<<

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« Reply #1977 on: <10-01-12/1638:34> »
>>>>>[Personally, I don't put too much stock in the symbolism of things. Don't get me wrong, names and titles can and sometimes do have power. Same goes for symbols, any magician of any tradition can tell you that. But symbolism for the sake of symbolism, sometimes it's fun but that's just it. But I do put great importance in trials themselves. It doesn't matter the reasons behind it or the reward at the end of it... As long as it truly push to the limit and tests someone! I have been pushed, beaten and tested all my life by the one who "adopted" me. I have been left to fend for myself for days, even at a very young age. She made sure to make me the best I could be, be it my brawn, my wits, my charm but most of all, my cunning. She was particularly fond of testing my cunning. And that is the greatest gift someone could have given me, the tools and the capacity to seize the place I wanted for myself in this world and from anyone if needed. Tests and trials are what forges the best sapians of this world.]<<<<<
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« Reply #1978 on: <10-01-12/1815:17> »
>>>>>[ Iceblade, I don't question your beliefs; they aren't mine.  I know how they work, however, which means I know just exactly how much bullshit there is behind them.  Of course, I know just exactly how much bullshit is behind any set of beliefs, my own included.  I always question exactly what I'm doing, and especially why I'm doing it; the person who doesn't question their own beliefs is vulnerable, critically so, to exploitation and demagogy.  This is what happens in nearly every fascist country, from Argentina to Italy to Germany to, well, Tir Tairngire.

And kid, you have no idea what I've gone through. You literally cannot imagine.  Your Rite?  Sure, I've been through that, and the first Progression to boot. So I know exactly what I'm talking about.  I question.  If you don't ... then your entire life is going to be run by other people and your own autopilot.  If you think that makes me cynical, then you sure as hell have a lot to learn, and not just about me.

Always, just when I start thinking there's a hope for you to have a brain ... ]<<<<<
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« Reply #1979 on: <10-03-12/1837:00> »
>>>>>[On a slightly lighter topic, me and my mechboy buddy were chatting bikes, and he started talking about how he was worried something like Chicago could happen here in Seattle, and talking about how he was thinking of making some kind of hard core combat bike/tank on two wheels. Armor covering the rider, light machine gun or two on the steering forks, pair of tank treads (front one turns enough to actually turn the bike...he's actually got diagrams for this shit. Makes me want to actually hit up mechanic's school.), all sorts of stuff to make it a great one or two man Chicago-Survival Vehicle.

Figured I'd toss the idea this way. I personally like it, but unless we nuke Seattle some time soon, it's not really going to..well..pass any overt checks by the Knights, or any other law enforcement for that matter.

In other, OTHER news, I'm still clean, still me, and still have light nightmares about what I saw in China. I think that's enough to mark me as 'still sane enough to function.']<<<<<

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