[zion]

First I will say I got a lot of info from UmaroVI (mostly gear) and lurkeroutthere.  So thanks to you guys!

The big problem I'm having is deciding whether i should drop something for some knowledge skills.  Any other advice is welcome too!  Thanks for the help, I can't wait to play my first SR campaign!

My GM finally decided to not limiting any starting availabilities like he was going to originally.  So we are doing the basic 400BP and leftover BP converts to 5k nuyen per BP. 

== Info ==
Street Name:
Name: Unnamed Character
Movement: 10/25, Swim: 5
Karma: 0
Street Cred: 0
Notoriety: 1
Public Awareness: 0
Human
Composure: 8
Judge Intentions: 8
Lift/Carry: 5 (15 kg/10 kg)
Memory: 10
Nuyen: 0

== Attributes ==
BOD: 4
AGI: 3
REA: 2
STR: 1
CHA: 3
INT: 5
LOG: 5
WIL: 5
EDG: 2
RES: 5

== Derived Attributes ==
Essence:                   6
Initiative:                7
IP:                        1
Matrix Initiative:         11
Matrix IP:                 3
Physical Damage Track:     10
Stun Damage Track:         11

== Active Skills ==
Animal Handling            : 0                      Pool: 4
Animal Training            : 0                      Pool: 4
Archery                    : 0                      Pool: 2
Armorer                    : 0                      Pool: 4
Artisan                    : 0                      Pool: 4
Automatics                 : 0                      Pool: 2
Blades                     : 0                      Pool: 2
Climbing                   : 1                      Pool: 2
Compiling                  : 4                      Pool: 9
Computer                   : 4                      Pool: 9
Con                        : 4                      Pool: 7
Cybercombat                : 0                      Pool: 4
Data Search                : 4                      Pool: 11
Demolitions                : 0                      Pool: 4
Disguise                   : 0                      Pool: 4
Diving                     : 0                      Pool: 3
Dodge                      : 0                      Pool: 1
Escape Artist              : 0                      Pool: 2
Etiquette                  : 4                      Pool: 7
First Aid                  : 1                      Pool: 6
Flight                     : 1                      Pool: 2
Forgery                    : 0                      Pool: 2
Gunnery                    : 0                      Pool: 2
Gymnastics                 : 1                      Pool: 4
Hacking                    : 6                      Pool: 11
Hardware                   : 4                      Pool: 9
Heavy Weapons              : 0                      Pool: 2
Infiltration               : 0                      Pool: 2
Instruction                : 0                      Pool: 2
Intimidation               : 0                      Pool: 2
Leadership                 : 4                      Pool: 7
Locksmith                  : 0                      Pool: 2
Longarms                   : 0                      Pool: 2
Navigation                 : 0                      Pool: 4
Negotiation                : 4                      Pool: 7
Palming                    : 0                      Pool: 2
Parachuting                : 0                      Pool: 3
Perception                 : 1                      Pool: 6
Pilot Ground Craft         : 1                      Pool: 3
Pilot Watercraft           : 0                      Pool: 1
Pistols                    : 0                      Pool: 2
Registering                : 3                      Pool: 8
Riding                     : 0                      Pool: 1
Running                    : 1                      Pool: 2
Shadowing                  : 0                      Pool: 4
Software                   : 4                      Pool: 11
Survival                   : 0                      Pool: 4
Swimming                   : 1                      Pool: 2
Throwing Weapons           : 0                      Pool: 2
Tracking                   : 0                      Pool: 4
Unarmed Combat             : 0                      Pool: 2

== Knowledge Skills ==

== Qualities ==
Allergy (Common, Mild) (Women (contact: real world only))
Analytical Mind
Incompetent (Clubs)
Media Junkie (Mild)
Sensitive System
Technomancer

== Complex Forms ==
(Tradition: Info Savants, Resist Fading with INT + RES (10))
Analyze Rating: 5
Browse Rating: 5
Decrypt Rating: 5
Exploit Rating: 5 (Mute)
Stealth Rating: 5

== Lifestyles ==
Low  1 months

== Armor ==
Clothing ("poncho")                   0/0
Form-Fitting Full-Body Suit6/2
H-jumpsuit                3/2
SecureTech Forearm Guards 0/1
SecureTech Helmet         0/2
SecureTech Shin Guards    0/1
SecureTech Vitals Protector1/1

== Weapons ==
Unarmed Attack
   DV: 1S   AP: -   RC: 0

== Commlink ==
Living Persona (5 (6), 5, 5, 3)
   +Living Persona
   +Biofeedback Filter Rating 3
Meta Link (1, 1, 1, 2)
   +Vector Xim

== Gear ==
Earbuds Rating 1
   +Skinlink
   +Audio Enhancement Rating 3
Fake SIN (Maximillion Razor) Rating 3
Glasses Rating 1
   +Skinlink
   +Vision Enhancement Rating 3
   +Image Link
KE IV x100
Medkit Rating 6
Optical Tap
Response Enhancer Rating 1
Satellite Link
Tag Eraser

== Vehicles ==
GM-Nissan Doberman (Medium)
   +Chameleon Coating
   +Rigger Cocoon, Basic
   +Walker Mode
   +Weapon Mount (Normal, External, Turret, Remote) Rating 1
   +Camera, Trideo Rating 2
      +Vision Enhancement Rating 3
      +Low Light
   +Camera, Trideo Rating 2
      +Thermographic
      +Vision Magnification
   +Clearsight Rating 3
      +Copy Protection Rating 3
      +Registration
   +Medium Drone Sensor
      +Laser Range Finder
      +Motion Sensor
      +Thermometric
   +Microphone Rating 2
      +Spatial Recognizer
      +Audio Enhancement Rating 3
   +Pepper Punch x30
   +Targeting (Self) Rating 3
      +Copy Protection Rating 3
      +Registration

== Karma Expenses ==

== Nuyen Expenses ==

== Notes ==
My character only has a commlink just so he can broadcast his fake SIN with it.

[Henzington]

no need to have first aid as you can use a medkit without the defaulting penalty.  I would say drop Athletics 1 given your low strength and agility isnt not worth the 10 points.  Drop one in agilty and put it in body so you get an extra box of pyshical damage.   Also since your agility is low, I would recommend getting gunnery as you use the drone's response plus the skill to fire a gun on a drone.

[Scarecrow71]

Because you have no cyberware, I would recommend getting the quality Lightning Reflexes for increased REA and initiative passes in the meat world.

[UmaroVI]

I really recommend against Lightning Reflexes. First, it only adds Reaction, not IPs. Second, if you cared about that, Acceleration is a much more sensible way to do it, or drugs.

You're getting nearly no use out of that 5 logic; I would probably drop to 3. I also don't think you really need a 5 willpower over, say, a 3 all that much, although it's not as useless.

It really is worth starting with a 6 resonance, because of the way CF costs scale with karma but are flat with BP.

Registering 4 is a good idea, because of the bp/karma cost difference of raising skills.

Charisma actually is relevant to you, since you have face skills and it sets your maximum registered sprites. I'd most definitely prioritize it over both Logic and Willpower.

Paragons are always worth it. 01 and Flow are both good generalist paragons if you aren't sure.

Decrypt isn't really worth it as a CF. You can get a sprite to do that for you, and you rarely need to decrypt in such a hurry that you can't Compile first.

Remember you get free Knowledge/Language skills. Generally, you should never buy more with BP; if you would want to, buy more Logic and Intuition instead.

[zion]

I really recommend against Lightning Reflexes. First, it only adds Reaction, not IPs. Second, if you cared about that, Acceleration is a much more sensible way to do it, or drugs.

You're getting nearly no use out of that 5 logic; I would probably drop to 3. I also don't think you really need a 5 willpower over, say, a 3 all that much, although it's not as useless.

It really is worth starting with a 6 resonance, because of the way CF costs scale with karma but are flat with BP.

Registering 4 is a good idea, because of the bp/karma cost difference of raising skills.

Charisma actually is relevant to you, since you have face skills and it sets your maximum registered sprites. I'd most definitely prioritize it over both Logic and Willpower.

Paragons are always worth it. 01 and Flow are both good generalist paragons if you aren't sure.

Decrypt isn't really worth it as a CF. You can get a sprite to do that for you, and you rarely need to decrypt in such a hurry that you can't Compile first.

Remember you get free Knowledge/Language skills. Generally, you should never buy more with BP; if you would want to, buy more Logic and Intuition instead.

I'm not sure i understand why logic isn't useful. . .it's used for hacking and the other computer related skills isn't it?

[UmaroVI]

Nope. It's the linked skill for things like PuSHeD, but you don't actually use it on the matrix. For technomancers, it sets your maximum complex forms (you can't start knowing more than Logicx2) and it sets your System, which is almost never relevant.

[Scarecrow71]

I really recommend against Lightning Reflexes. First, it only adds Reaction, not IPs. Second, if you cared about that, Acceleration is a much more sensible way to do it, or drugs.

All I can say is...

WTF?  I could have sworn I just read one of the qualities and it had extra IPs.  I have to go back and re-read the books now.  I hate being wrong like that.

[zion]

I actually did mean to have a point in gunnery.  Must have missed it somehow. Okay i've incorperated some changes but as I thought my hacking and computer skills went down when i lowered my logic.  Pool was 11 now it's nine for hacking. 

== Info ==
Street Name:
Name: Unnamed Character
Movement: 10/25, Swim: 5
Karma: 0
Street Cred: 0
Notoriety: 1
Public Awareness: 0
Human
Composure: 8
Judge Intentions: 10
Lift/Carry: 5 (15 kg/10 kg)
Memory: 6
Nuyen: 0

== Attributes ==
BOD: 4
AGI: 2
REA: 2
STR: 1
CHA: 5
INT: 5
LOG: 3
WIL: 3
EDG: 2
RES: 6

== Derived Attributes ==
Essence:                   6
Initiative:                7
IP:                        1
Matrix Initiative:         11
Matrix IP:                 3
Physical Damage Track:     10
Stun Damage Track:         10

== Active Skills ==
Animal Handling            : 0                      Pool: 4
Animal Training            : 0                      Pool: 4
Archery                    : 0                      Pool: 1
Armorer                    : 0                      Pool: 2
Artisan                    : 0                      Pool: 4
Automatics                 : 0                      Pool: 1
Blades                     : 0                      Pool: 1
Climbing                   : 1                      Pool: 2
Compiling                  : 4                      Pool: 10
Computer                   : 4                      Pool: 7
Con                        : 3                      Pool: 8
Cybercombat                : 0                      Pool: 2
Data Search                : 4                      Pool: 9
Demolitions                : 0                      Pool: 2
Disguise                   : 0                      Pool: 4
Diving                     : 0                      Pool: 3
Dodge                      : 0                      Pool: 1
Escape Artist              : 0                      Pool: 1
Etiquette                  : 3                      Pool: 8
First Aid                  : 0                      Pool: 2
Flight                     : 1                      Pool: 2
Forgery                    : 0                      Pool: 1
Gunnery                    : 1                      Pool: 3
Gymnastics                 : 1                      Pool: 3
Hacking                    : 6                      Pool: 9
Hardware                   : 4                      Pool: 7
Heavy Weapons              : 0                      Pool: 1
Infiltration               : 0                      Pool: 1
Instruction                : 0                      Pool: 4
Intimidation               : 0                      Pool: 4
Leadership                 : 3                      Pool: 8
Locksmith                  : 0                      Pool: 1
Longarms                   : 0                      Pool: 1
Navigation                 : 0                      Pool: 4
Negotiation                : 3                      Pool: 8
Palming                    : 0                      Pool: 1
Parachuting                : 0                      Pool: 3
Perception                 : 1                      Pool: 6
Pilot Ground Craft         : 1                      Pool: 3
Pilot Watercraft           : 0                      Pool: 1
Pistols                    : 0                      Pool: 1
Registering                : 4                      Pool: 10
Riding                     : 0                      Pool: 1
Running                    : 1                      Pool: 2
Shadowing                  : 0                      Pool: 4
Software                   : 4                      Pool: 9
Survival                   : 0                      Pool: 2
Swimming                   : 1                      Pool: 2
Throwing Weapons           : 0                      Pool: 1
Tracking                   : 0                      Pool: 4
Unarmed Combat             : 0                      Pool: 1

== Knowledge Skills ==
Engineering                : 4 [Electrical]         Pool: 7 (9)
Firearms                   : 2 [Design]             Pool: 5 (7)
Security Design            : 4 [Government]         Pool: 7 (9)
Security Tactics           : 6 [Government]         Pool: 9 (11)
Underworld                 : 3 [Forgery]            Pool: 8 (10)

== Qualities ==
Allergy (Common, Mild) (Women (contact: real world only))
Analytical Mind
Incompetent (Clubs)
Media Junkie (Mild)
Paragon (Flow)
Sensitive System
Technomancer

== Complex Forms ==
(Tradition: Info Savants, Resist Fading with INT + RES (11))
Analyze Rating: 6
Browse Rating: 6
Disarm Rating: 6
Exploit Rating: 6 (Mute)
Stealth Rating: 6

== Lifestyles ==
Low  1 months

== Armor ==
Clothing ("poncho")                   0/0
Form-Fitting Full-Body Suit6/2
H-jumpsuit                3/2
SecureTech Forearm Guards 0/1
SecureTech Helmet         0/2
SecureTech Shin Guards    0/1
SecureTech Vitals Protector1/1

== Weapons ==
Unarmed Attack
   DV: 1S   AP: -   RC: 0

== Commlink ==
Living Persona (5 (6), 3, 3, 3)
   +Living Persona
   +Biofeedback Filter Rating 5
Meta Link (1, 1, 1, 2)
   +Vector Xim

== Gear ==
Earbuds Rating 1
   +Skinlink
   +Audio Enhancement Rating 3
Fake SIN (Maximillion Razor) Rating 3
Glasses Rating 1
   +Skinlink
   +Vision Enhancement Rating 3
   +Image Link
KE IV x100
Medkit Rating 6
Optical Tap
Response Enhancer Rating 1
Satellite Link
Tag Eraser

== Vehicles ==
GM-Nissan Doberman (Medium)
   +Chameleon Coating
   +Rigger Cocoon, Basic
   +Walker Mode
   +Weapon Mount (Normal, External, Turret, Remote) Rating 1
   +Camera, Trideo Rating 2
      +Vision Enhancement Rating 3
      +Low Light
   +Camera, Trideo Rating 2
      +Thermographic
      +Vision Magnification
   +Clearsight Rating 3
      +Copy Protection Rating 3
      +Registration
   +Medium Drone Sensor
      +Laser Range Finder
      +Motion Sensor
      +Thermometric
   +Microphone Rating 2
      +Spatial Recognizer
      +Audio Enhancement Rating 3
   +Pepper Punch x30
   +Targeting (Self) Rating 3
      +Copy Protection Rating 3
      +Registration

== Karma Expenses ==

== Nuyen Expenses ==

== Notes ==
My character only has a commlink just so he can broadcast his fake SIN with it.

[UmaroVI]

I think that's just a quirk of Chummer. You roll skill+CF.

[zion]

Hmm, i don't have a hacking specific form though, unless exploit is the same.  Where do i find this rule?  I've been looking through SR4 and UN and cannot find it.  All I found was that on page 120 of the SR4 anniversary edition, it lists hacking's linked attribute as logic.

I'm brand new so I want to understand it's just hard to find all the info sometimes lol.

[zion]

I think i found what your were suffering to on page 103 of UN

Hacking electronics
computer + logic for general function
computer +program rating if within the normal paramaters but unusal task
computer + logic to understand an unfamiliar device
hacking + program rating to make it act outside of legitimate parameters

So i guess to hack something like cyberware or to get information that's locked up it would be hacking+exploit?

[Scarecrow71]

Actually, it depends on what action you are specifically attempting to undertake when hacking.  If you take a look at the programs under the heading Hacking starting on page 233 SR4A, you'll see that there are a variety of programs and what their uses are.

Exploit, for example, is used to take advantage of security flaws to gain unauthorized access to a node.  Spoof, on the other hand, creates false ids and passwords to access nodes and/or confuse tracking programs.  And Stealth attempts to hide you from other system processes.

So depending on what you are doing, you'd use the rating for the most applicable program.

[zion]

So that's why logic+hacking is mostly useless?

[Henzington]

having a decent logic is used for handling most types of locks as they are cracked with logic+hardware but yeah it doesnt help your actually hacking at all.

[UmaroVI]

I think the "attributes aren't used on the matrix" thing is mostly explained on SR4A 226.