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lurkeroutthere

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« Reply #15 on: <09-01-12/1559:23> »
But you cannot 'see' magic either.  the formulated spell is just that. A formula just as a program is a formula.
the fact that a huge corps threw themselves at the VR concept (roughly  at the same time of awaking powers began to become inherent) doess not make it impossible to have one effect the other.
Also, i know of nothing within the rulset that say such an effect is beyond the scope of the game.

But you cannot 'see' magic either.  the formulated spell is just that. A formula just as a program is a formula.
Your last quote doesn't make any sense to me, it's like you just strung words together. If your using a spell formula as a program, it's not a spell formula it's a program. Just because i put a Haiku in the comment code of my program doesn't make it stop being a program and instead be a Haiku. Likewise putting a spell formula onto digital media doesn't somehow make it act like a program instead. You might as well say "Well i use the spell formula as my wall because there's nothing the rules that says i can't."

Well just reading what you post i don't think you've actually looked at the rules, or the fluff or any of it so i'm not going to argue that point with you.

The corps didn't "focus on VR" their mega corps, they actually explore multiple disciplines concurantly, and they've actively been working on trying to merge magic and the matrix on several occasions and sinking a lot of money into the prospect. If you can sell your GM on you being the special little snowflake, sure rock on, but as magic works in the setting it cannot be done without a major shift in peoples understanding of magic.

Best reading for you from a setting standpoint might be to find yourself a copy of the "The Lucifer Deck" the whole plot revolves around how magic and electronic and the matrix play together or sometimes don't.
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« Reply #16 on: <09-03-12/0243:55> »
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But you cannot 'see' magic either.  the formulated spell is just that. A formula just as a program is a formula.
the fact that a huge corps threw themselves at the VR concept (roughly  at the same time of awaking powers began to become inherent) doess not make it impossible to have one effect the other.
Also, i know of nothing within the rulset that say such an effect is beyond the scope of the game.

Actually you can see magic.

Noticing if someone is using a magical skill requires a Perception Test (p. 135) with a threshold equal to 6 minus the magic’s Force. More powerful magic is easier to spot with the gathered mana normally appearing as a disturbance or glowing aura in the air around the caster. The gamemaster should apply additional modifiers as appropriate, or if the perceiver is Awakened themselves (+2 dice), astrally perceiving (+2 dice), or if a shamanic mask is evident (+2 dice). (SR4A 179, Noticing Magic)

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« Reply #17 on: <09-03-12/0323:59> »
ahh too true :)

yet still the check of noticing the effect,  some are more trained at it than others, still implies that some will never 'see'  or at least comprehend it.

Just like some will never at least comprehend the nature of the matrix past what people allow them to see and experience? If they choose to experience it at all.